Talk:Highworth Town F.C.

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Honours and recentism

Number 57 and Mike Markham, rather than getting into an intractable edit war over these issues, maybe we can discuss them here on the talk page? For what it's worth, I can see some value in Mike's edits, which is why I yesterday added cites for the 2017 cup final places. Yes, we want to avoid recentism, but then again it's just one sentence, it's not that big a deal and it is extra information for the reader, in what is not a particularly long history section anyway. On the runners up places, those are expressly permitted by Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs#Honours, except in cases where the club has so many honours that it would be impractical to include second places as well. We can decide whether that's the case, but there is no blanket ban on including them. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 09:44, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@Amakuru: This is being thoroughly discussed on my talk page. FWIW, I don't see how the cup finals last season can be justifiably included if other losing cup final appearances are not. Perhaps as a compromise all of them could be included, which would resolve the WP:RECENTISM issue satisfactorily. Number 57 09:50, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Amakuru, a sensible approach at last!Mike Markham (talk) 10:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) OK, yes, that's a fair point. The real question for me is not just the consistency with previous years, but whether the information is relevant or not. If something recent is of interest, then we don't *have to* delete it immediately just because there isn't a similar line on a previous year's achievement. Wikipedia is a work in progress. But.... on reflection, maybe these cup finals aren't interesting or relevant. If those were highly sought-after cups, and the final was a big day out for the club, then including final places in the prose would be good. But if they appear in one or other final most seasons, partly because there are so many different cups to enter, then it's not to interesting... Anyway, if you're already discussing it then that's fine. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

The issue that concerns me is the phrase "of interest" – what is of interest is completely subjective, which is why it's listed as a classic argument to avoid in deletion discussions (see WP:INTERESTING). Number 57 10:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, alright, but you know what I mean. Is it encylopedic? Is it a notable part of the club's history? These are the sorts of decisions we have to make every time we write an encyclopedia article, by factoring in what reliable sources say, and using some judgement. In this case, from reading the league's version of the club history: [1] apparently the FA vase semi-final appearance is a major achievement and correctly included, but the other appearances in the Wiltshire cup finals less so.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

That document appears to be a copy/paste of the Wikipedia article as it stood in December last year. I am finding it increasingly difficult to reference non-League articles as so many clubs (and even leagues) just copy their history from Wikipedia :( Number 57 10:35, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Amakuru, may I add that I created the history of Highworth Town for the Highworth Town FC match programme and copied this to both Wikipedia and the website which is why they look the same. Also, can I now put back the runners-up stuff or will I fall foul of the editing protocol? Mike Markham (talk) 11:05, 5 July 2017 (UTC)