Talk:Hierochloe odorata

Other types of Buffalo Grass?

I found that Buchloe dactyloides is also known as Buffalo Grass. Should we put something into the page to distinguish this? Perhaps a disambiguation page instead of a redirect?

Have just turned Buffalo Grass into a dab. anyone want to do article on Buchloe dactyloides ? :-) Bridesmill 16:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Also Buchloe dactyloides likely more commonly referred to as Buffalo grass. And it's way different than Sweet grass....

http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Poaceae/Buchloe_dactyloides.html —Preceding unsignedcomment added by 71.9.16.172 (talk) 03:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Identification

Two pictures say sweet grass, only one resembles the genus Hierochloe and it's the USDA picture. The other picture looks like Bromus inermis. —Preceding unsignedcomment added by 71.9.16.172 (talk) 03:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

C'mon do a little research first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.9.16.172 (talk) 03:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not Hierochloe, and yes, it does look like a Bromus (Zerna). I've removed that photo, and made a note on its talk page. Richard New Forest (talk) 08:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was consensus for move.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

Sweet grass → Hierochloe odorata — Many other species (and genera) are known as "sweet grass", and so many people must come here looking for something else. In any case, Hierochloe odorata is known by many common names (nine so far in article). I therefore propose that the article is moved to the scientific name, with the various common names being dealt with by hatnotes and dabs. The current Sweet grass (disambiguation) would move to Sweet grass. Richard New Forest (talk) 08:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - Despite your claim in edit summary to be able to dictate "what this article is about", it is not about only hierochloe odorate. It is about the title, "sweet grass" and all of the other things covered by that title. It seems you repeatedly try to banish a certain type down the memory hole, claiming that the disambiguation page should be used. This detailed information would not be allowed on a disambiguation page either, so that is disingenuous. Keep this article as is, about "sweet grass" of all species, and don't move the page just to solidify your own restrictive idea of what this page "should" be about. 141.152.53.5 (talk) 12:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Please see discussion below under #Other species: I don't think your point is really relevant to the proposal to move, but to the content of the article. Richard New Forest (talk) 13:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support – an article about any and all plant taxa known as "sweet grass" is not an encyclopedia article. It might be a dictionary article; see Wiktionary. Sweet grass is a very ambiguous page name that begs for a disambiguation page. --Una Smith (talk) 04:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support per nom. The current Sweet grass (disambiguation) is "about 'sweet grass' of all species. — AjaxSmack 06:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support per #Other species (unless there is something which all the grasses called "sweet grass" have in common other than a name). Kingdon (talk) 15:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support - pretty clear that "sweet grass" applies to several species - they should each have their own article and the dab should be moved here. Guettarda (talk) 13:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Other species

User 141.152.53.5: you've been trying to include material about another species, Muhlenbergia filipes in this article. I think we need to consider how Wikipedia articles work. WP articles are about one thing at a time: see WP is not a dictionary. There are a number of plants with the name "sweet grass", but they have little else in common. A dictionary would have an article about the term "sweet grass" (whatever it referred to) but an encyclopaedia like WP must have articles about single "things"; in this case the species Hierochloe odorata is the thing (not my own idea, just how species articles work). This plant is called by many names, and these do happen to include "sweet grass", but that does not mean that material about everything else called "sweet grass" can be added. The way WP deals with different things that share a name is with disambiguation pages – in this case Sweet grass (disambiguation), where you will find Muhlenbergia filipes listed.

I have nothing whatever against the material you wanted to include, which does look interesting. I think it should be included on WP – just not here. There is not yet an article about Muhlenbergia filipes. However, there is an article about the Muhlenbergia genus, and your material could go in a new section there. Or you might like to start the Muhlenbergia filipes article yourself: see Wikipedia:Starting an article (I'd be very glad to help). You are quite right that the material doesn't belong on the dab page, but equally we can't just stuff it in any-old-where just because it shares one common name. Richard New Forest (talk) 13:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Material moved to new Muhlenbergia filipes stub. Richard New Forest (talk) 10:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation of plant vernacular names is a chronic problem. Something I'd like to try is moving the list of species with a related vernacular name out of the dab page to its own page, eg Buffalo grass (common name) and Sweet grass (common name), that would be a "set index article". Dab pages aren't supposed to have incoming links, but SIAs can have them. We could link from the vernacular names in the taxon article to the SIA. What do you think? --Una Smith (talk) 04:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm only vaguely aware of the ins and outs of set index versus disambiguation, but I think I probably like having all the meanings of "sweet grass" (plant and non-plant) on one page. "Buffalo grass" is even easier - all of them are plants. Kingdon (talk) 00:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

No such tribe as "Montana"

There are two mentions of a tribe "Montana" in this article (I am assuming it refers to a tribe since it is in among other tribal names). There is no such Native American tribe named Montana, and since I'm not sure which tribe the author was trying to refer to, I can't make a change.Otumeal (talk) 07:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

That whole section is subject to deletion unless someone can track down some sources. If the sources are found, they should provide the information about tribes. Kingdon (talk) 00:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Variety of buffalo?!

When the article said:

This variety of buffalo is different from the species of grass commonly known as 'buffalo' (Stenotaphrum secundatum) in Australia.

Can I assume they meant "this variety of grass"? ◃Λmniarix▹ (talk) 12:29, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: ENGW3303 Adv. Writing for the Environmental Professions

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 17 April 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): SootySalamander (article contribs).

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Ecology Section

I plan on adding a section on the Ecology of the species, specifically what habitat preferences it shows and known herbivores. I'm also planning to add some citations for areas of the article lacking in them, such as propagation, uses and European traditions. I will also edit the propagation section to better match my source's version. SootySalamander (talk) 17:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)