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First Header edit
Is the claim about the literary reference really substantiated? Obviously, since nothing like that can explicitly be mentioned in the show, I think that this assertion needs to be backed up. This part,
"Elements of Motoko and Kuze's relationship resemble Haruki Murakami's story On Seeing the 100% Perfect Girl One Beautiful April Morning."
was added by someone/some users with the IP address 24.7.66.201. I can see in the person's/persons' history that some other Ghost in the Shell material on Wikipedia was worked on, but I still can't help but think that the "Literary References" section was incorrect and/or original research by the user(s). As a result of such conditions, I removed this from the entry from the article on Kuze.
After some research, I found that this story is from The Elephant Vanishes, which is an originally Japanese collection of short stories (which includes the one in question). This makes at least a little bit of sense, seeing how the first season of Stand Alone Complex contained many explicit literary references to The Catcher in the Rye and from Nine Stories (Salinger) by author J. D. Salinger, and Flowers for Algernon, the latter two being of the short story variety. Still, it needs verification of some kind that there is a literary reference in 2nd Gig to this short story in question. Tachikoma's All Memory 04:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Hideo Kuze's face appearing in Solid State Society edit
At the time when Motoko Kusanagi accesses the bureaucrat's cyberbrain infiltrated by the puppeteer he does not reaveal his real identity but feeds Motoko's visual input with a bunch of faces well known of the Stand Alone Complex Series showing Gouda's face particularly Hideo Kuze's face before turning into Motoko's own face. Can't be supposed a hint that Hideo Kuze's dissolution into the web was the birth of the puppeteer who'll once become the notorious puppet master in the orginal manga series supposing that that one takes place after the incidents in Stand Alone Complex that sounds logical looking at Motoko's personality that shows no signs of the puppet master's presence. Turning the bureaucrat's face into Motoko's at the end might have been a hint by the puppeteer that he intends to fusion with Motoko's personality in the future. Thus the reborn Motoko Aramaki of Ghost in the Shell: Man Machine Interface would primarely be a fusion of Hideo Kuze and Motoko Kusanagi, the two friends of the same fate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karakasa (talk • contribs) 11:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
- the anime series is in official word, not linked to the puppet master story. it is slightly based on the manga but doesn't follow everything to the dot. this would be purely speculation. Akinkhoo 13:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Speculation... edit
Not a good article!!! edit
I disagree! I don't think the face is why Hideo Kuze refuses to talk. That's speculation! Remove it! I suggest it be replaced with something like this: "His character rarely speaks with the mouth and often uses cybernetic radio communcation to speak to people. --Cyberman (talk) 04:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Transfer to net? edit
on him successful transfer to net because of the statement "i will go on ahead" might be a long shot. i don't know about the west, but when people are about to die in the east, it is quite common to said "i will go first" as in go "to heaven"... while the part of motoko being surprised later maybe less questionable.
also, did he originally planned to bring the refugee into cyberspace or was he forced to as their physical body faces destruction by nuclear weapons... these 2 issue confuses me. Akinkhoo 13:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Apple bite edit
i thought the fact he bite the apple only showed that he indeed can "use" his face? as opposed to it's not able to be moved. why he didn't use it is another story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.51.234.129 (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
What was that character? edit
In the episode, "Mother and Child," the Taiwanese official mentions that Kuze was called a certain name by the local refugees. The name was a chinese character which meant both "serene as a summer day" and "Brutal as a winter wolf." What was that character? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.172.198.145 (talk) 08:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The name was Ro, but I have been unable to find the actual character for "Ro" with that definition. I would like to know this as well, and will keep looking.
--EchoesOfOblivion-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echoes of Oblivion (talk • contribs) 01:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I think it was "Rou" perhaps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.225.171 (talk) 17:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, me again. Here's what I dug up for Rou:
http://www.jp41.com/kanji/rou.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.228.191 (talk) 03:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually they stated that Ro was his nickname cause the refuges saw him as a Ronin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.68.20.54 (talk) 03:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
in reality, the taiwanese official states that he bore a resemblance in activity to a ronin. but the name "ro" is actually a chinese symbol, as explained in the same scene. its common for a single pictogram to have several meanings or interpretations dependent on context. ro is not a shortened version of ronin, this only relates to his position as a soldier who has left his affiliate military for personal or other reasons to become a roaming warrior. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.119.55 (talk) 16:02, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I've had a quick look and the Pinyin 'róu' [1] which has multiple characters for the same pronunciation (柔[2] and 蹂 [3] in particular) seems to be the closest. It's not the same as the Japanese Kanji 'rou' posted above.
[1] http://www.mandarintools.com/cgi-bin/charlook.pl Edit: it won't link to results, so search for rou or rou2 in the Pinyin box.
[2] http://www.websaru.com/%E6%9F%94.html
[3] http://www.websaru.com/chinese-dictionary/%25E8%25B9%2582
--78.150.175.208 (talk) 03:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Philosophy and Goals edit
I think there should be a section that dwells into the specifics of his plan and his motivation, based on his talk with Aramaki's brother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.129.94 (talk) 01:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Sourcing edit
Somebody needs to have sourcing explained to them. I see some sourcing done that isn't really sourcing, it's more like commentary footnotes. Who put that shit here? — NRen2k5 15:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Hideoin2ndgig.jpg edit
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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Rewriting edit
To be frank, I think the whole page should be rewritten. I would have done it myself if not the respect to previous writers' time. In general the article seems like mentioning different parts where he appeared in the anime instead of handling him as a person with a certain ideology. A proof is the fact that the "Background Information" has only mentioning of the Individual Eleven, which is not a background information in the first place. Also, much focus was done to the scene with Motoko Kusanagi (almost 25% of the article), which demonstrates an attitude of focusing on Romantic issues (action or whatever but certainly not ideological, political, etc.).
The second anime that Kenji Kamiyama directed was Eden of the East. There too, the main focus is on different types of people who have plans to reshape Japan. GITS 2nd Gig had many social, ideological and political views, and Hideo Kuze was somewhere at the center of all this. And seeing this not handled properly gives me a bitter feeling like a fan of Kuze and the show.
I would like the issues mentioned to be addressed. If the authors are too busy, I don't mind rewriting the whole article, especially, that few commentators have concerns similar to mine (like demanding a Philosophy section). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.142.35.127 (talk) 00:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)