Talk:Hey Arnold!/Archive 1

Archive 1

Ok, come on, kids see this page

I have undone the edit done by "71.116.18.61" who put things in the sections Arnold's Name-teaser Gag about Arnold being bi and eating his own crap and not being circumsized

man that must have been funny, its sounds very inapporpriate though so its good u did that

Here's another real "not for kids" mess-up: The article says that Gerald's nickname is "dat niggah". Out of all the times that I've watched "Hey Arnold!," (and I watched it a lot when it was at its peak) I've never heard anyone call Gerald that. I'm deleting it. Kikiluvscheese 00:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

It's obviously vandalism, I suggest we either block this IP from editing or protect this article. That kind of offensive material is not acceptable in any kind of article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth Hardeman (talk • contribs) 03:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Arnold's city

An observant fan seems to have identified Arnold's city as Hillwood. -- knoodelhed 09:02, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

And it is NOT New York - someone seems to keep adding this show to the "Shows set in New York" category.

Although, some episodes do deict Hillwood's skyline with NYC's In the background, which places it in Westchester County, New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.203.107 (talk) 04:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

No, that's your own original research. Stop adding it. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 04:38, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Craig Bartlett was trying to make Hillwood look like his home city, Seattle; and some of the artists were trying to make it look like New York. There is a good YouTube video with interesting comments about it. Hellerick (talk) 10:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, it is original research but the skyline argument doesn't lead to Westchester; it's much more likely Brooklyn. Still original research, but the Brooklyn Bridge (but not really the Brooklyn Bridge) is in the background along with Manhattanesque skyline from Brooklyn perspective. Naming of the school is done to New York City style and the fact is IF they were in New York, they would be in the city and not a neighboring county. Still completely OR but just thought I'd clarify --96.239.100.26 (talk) 20:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Merge

Given that several other characters have their own articles, and that there is a category specifically for Hey Arnold! characters, I think the articles on the grandparents can be left as it. Kerowyn 02:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Intro

This introduction should maybe be shortened?

Yes, some of the info there is not needed, and is included in other sections. I'll go clean it up. Abby724 20:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Arnold Comic

I'm not sure when they were published in relation to the Sesame Street claymation shorts, but the short lived official Simpsons magazine, Simpsons Illustrated, used to run Arnold comics by Craig Bartlett, along with some others artists' work, including a strip by Gary Panter. I seem to recall it just being called "Arnold". This would've been about 1992 or so. I don't recall other characters or situations from the TV show appearing.--4.244.27.59 13:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Helga and Harold made appearances, although they had no names yet and just appeared in the background most of the time. -- May 5, 2007

Earlier Arnold comic

I remember receiving a free copy of Nickelodeon Magazine at a Pizza Hut restaurant in Florida when I was nine years old (1990) which contained a very small, black-and-white comic of Arnold and Helga during recess. Arnold was having a daydream about dinosaurs while propped up on his elbows in the grass. This free magazine was smallish (approximately 10"x10") and thin (20 pages or so) and printed on cheap paper, but I kept that copy for a few years. There is a reference to this free version of the magazine in the Nickelodeon Magazine article. It would be great if someone had a copy of this magazine so that we could note an earlier date for Arnold's comic debut.

Controversy removal

Apparently, a user named Tregoweth keeps deleting the controversy section for no reason whatsoever. (Plainnym 19:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC))

Because the things you point out seem implausible, or innuendo that's not worth noting.

• While not as controversial as Ren and Stimpy or Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Arnold! has somewhat of a reputation for being the most profane of all Nicktoons.
  • Do you have references for this?

• It was also under fire for its protrayal of child neglect (involving Helga and her family)

• In one of the final episodes made, Ernie is angry as the horse he bet on is losing. He screams, "Great! $200 straight down the crapper! Although, Helga will sometimes say "crap" in certain episodes, as has Harold in one episode.
  • Since crap seems to have become a minor swear word, this may not be worth noting.

• In the episode "On the Lam", there is a swear word, which is on the bottle of hot sauce describing it as Ass Kicking. In fact, there is a picture of a donkey being kicked.
  • ...therefore, it's not an actual swear.

• Also, in the episode "The Racing Mule", while watching Arnold racing with Guleboy the mule, Oscar shouts "Go Glueboy, you big crazy ass!". While it is covered up by a soccer horn noise, it can still be heared if closely examined.
  • See above.

• In another episode, Arnold is forced to be a tutor to bully Torvalt. In some airings, Torvalt says to Arnold, "Do you know how it feels to have your mom know that you suck at everything you do?"
  • I guess the swear here is "suck"?

• During the Halloween special, Helga says the word "dickhead" which was later edited out.
  • I somehow doubt that even a Nickelodeon show would use the word "dickhead."

• Another episode, Grandpa's Packard, Grandma is trying to find out who stole Grandpa Phil's Packard and says, '"The criminal's mind in just as dirty as the shitty side of an iceberg!"
  • I sincerely doubt that a Nickelodeon show used the word "shitty."

• Many people believe in "Sid The Vampire Slayer", Stinky tells Sid to "stop being a damn fool!" But, actually tells him to stop being a dang fool.
  • So how is that controversial?

• In one episode they sing 'Miss Suzy' which has a number of "near-swears"... Also in that episode, Grandpa says "Let's go fishing... For the halibut." This is meant to sound like "For the hell of it."
  • Again, innuendo, not an actual swear, shrug.

• The episode "Grandpa's Birthday" frequently mentions death.
  • So?

• Also, an episode had an animated version of Adolf Hitler. That may have been the most controversial thing on the show.
  • If they showed the characters approving of Hitler, that would be controversial. Simply showing him is not automatically "controversial." tregoweth 21:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, Tregoweth: do you see 1st to 4th graders around your neighborhood saying "That sucks!" or "Holy crap!" or using "hell" in a sentence (non-churchwise)? Some of this stuff is inappropriate for a little kids show. (Plainnym 21:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

• I certainly did, and that was years ago. —tregoweth (talk) 18:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Ah, so you did? (Plainnym 23:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC))

Oh yeah. I got that stuff from the trivia section so I really didn't make it. I just added to it. (Plainnym 21:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

Since you are an adult, that probably doesn't matter. "Ass" is not a bad word? (Plainnym 15:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC))

Ok...I changed it now.(Plainnym 17:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC))

Although "suck" and "crap" aren't really swear words, they're not supposed to be on kids television. I'm in seventh grade in fact, and my math teacher got mad at one of the kids for saying "sucks". The whole a** kicking thing, I don't think it's controversial. I think it's just a funny reference to the swear word, and since it's hard to see, only older viewers with sharper minds would have seen it. Jake1324 05:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not these words are acceptable for children's networking is determined by the individual, Wikipedia is not a place for opinions. The controversy section is both irrelevant and unnecessary. Half the words you deem as "inappropriate" are not meant to be offensive in the context they are used in. Although some of these quotes may be seen as controversial to a parent unless you have actual sources to prove they raised actual controversy I suggest we do not allow this section. Eatspie (talk) 03:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Article cleanup

For some reason, through the edits of last month, entire sections were just randomly dropped. These were the characters and voice actors section and the first and second season episodes section. Bringing the episode info back would make the article far too long, so I gave it its own article. And the character information is back at the top. --Crisu 07:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

their teacher

Is their teacher like Ron Clark? --Kingforaday1620 21:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Kokoshka...

...is NOT Russian for "shithead". "Kakashka" would translate as "a piece of shit", but Kokoshka is a decent-sounding name (given it wasn't altered in Russian translation of the film). Elenthel 21:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe it's also bulgarian for "hen"

67.175.138.202 02:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Kokoška really means "hen" in Serbian and Bulgarian. It's a also a Russian dialect word for "egg". Hellerick (talk) 08:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Vikings

I noticed a lot of the characters had Viking sounding names(Harold,Thorvald,Helga etc). Someone respond. Leprechaun101 8:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Geraldo

Does Helga call Gerald "Geraldo"?67.175.138.202 02:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Response (1/7/07) Helga does call Gerald "Geraldo" in many episodes. Of course, I'd appreciate it if someone could certify this. -- Lauren

Time period

What's time period? Maybe sometime in the 50's? (because of the Packard and the old buses). However, there are tv's (primitive), beepers, and in the movie there were security cameras. ViperBite 14:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

to me it seems mixed like in some other shows 4.238.142.15 20:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I took it as present day. Phil's car is old. The show takes place in an old city, so some stuff is old. --DarkAdonis255 13:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Best thing to say is that it's timeless. --Fez2005 01:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Like many cartoons, it's anachronistic, and takes elements from both modern times and whatever time period the creaters grew up in or had a fondness for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.157.85 (talk) 03:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

In the episode "Grandpa's Sister" it was said that Grandma Mitzi and Grandpa Phil stopped speaking to each other on November 13, 1927. It was either 70 or 71 years ago, which means that it's between mid-November 1997 and mid-November 1999 "now".

In the episode "Summer Love" we can see a clapboard on which the date 7/22/1999 is written.

The show has some nostalgic moments, but still I see no reason why we can't consider it taking place in the late 1990s. Hellerick (talk) 04:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

On the Air?

Is Hey Arnold! still being broadcast on the Nicktoons channel? You know, that one where all the old good shows go to live out their lives in syndication?

Tetty2 04:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It's syndicated on Nickelodeon in various European countries like Russia. -Timberlax 00:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Spam?

Okay, what is this: "The show is awesome, butt, butt, stupid!" is the concluding line for the Premise. Should I change it? Kikiluvscheese 00:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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A source that could be used: Jerry Beck's Not Just Cartoons: Nicktoons!

I found a book in the bookstore called Not Just Cartoons: Nicktoons! by Jerry Beck. I'm not going to buy it and join the project, but I will ask the other members to get the book so that they can add real world information about various fictional characters.

This makes the creation of separate articles for *many* fictional characters feasible. Having information about the development of the character will make the articles satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR NO MORE NEW EPISODES?????"??? USER TALK:ME!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.50.38.174 (talk) 20:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Season 6

The things that someone put about the maybe season 6 return that is true in an interview with Craig Bartlett he said that he may return the show for a season 6 and begin it with a movie. He also said that before the show ended he had a few episodes left that could make a series heres the interview http://heyarnold.twotoasts.de/media/Craig/Chat-06-10-07.pdf) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiguy06 (talk • contribs) 08:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Where in this text is it? The only thing I can find about the movie is on page 4:

<question> : so your still making the next movie?

CraigBartlett : no, the movie plans ended many admistrations of Nick/Paramount ago.

CraigBartlett : it's long long ago now.

And this is the only section of the text with the word 'sixth' in it:

<question> : Craig: Has he made any scripts for sixth season episodes and if so, what were the episodes about?

CraigBartlett : we had a list of ideas for a sixth season, but...

CraigBartlett : I have no idea what they were now, five years later.

Just because you interpret that to mean that the show is returning doesn't mean it is. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 14:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Arnold! Wikia

My contribution involving "The Jungle Movie" was deleted by HelloAnnyong on the grounds that "wikia isn't a source". I think it'd be fair if someone edited the "Setting" section of the article to use another source, since the source "Interview with Craig Bartlett by Kim Burk, 1998-11-04" also comes from the Hey Arnold! Wikia. 67.167.122.60 (talk) 06:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikia hardly can be a source. But anyway even though they hardly are mentioned anywhere else but in fan sources, it would be better to mention both The Jungle Movie and The Patakis — after all Craig Barlett mentioned them in his chats/interviews many times. Hellerick (talk) 09:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Then let's get some actual sources. Can we state where those interviews came from? Links to them would be great, but I'll take any sort of sourcing that claims reliability. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 14:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

In HA! Wiki it's mentioned where all the interviews/chat transcripts came from [1]. But I guess you would not call any of them "claiming reliability"? Hellerick (talk) 02:29, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Part of the problem is that the interviews don't really assert verifiability. Consider http://community.livejournal.com/hey_arnold/54034.html, for example. The interview talks about the movie - but there's no way to truly verify that the person who wrote that LiveJournal post didn't fabricate what's on the page. That's the guideline for self-published sources. Similarly, a separate Wikia has the same problem - there's no guarantee that what is added is verifiable. That's why we prefer to use secondary sources. If we had anything - an actual publication or something that's not just someone on the Internet posting about how they emailed him. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:03, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

"Wanky Land"

The amusement park that is mentioned "Wanky Land" i kid ye not its not vandalism.. its mentioned on "False Alarm", "Road Trip" et al.. does anyone know if they have been edited for UK audiences because of the prefix word? if so can it be mentioned if the right references are cited.

again this is not vandalism it is true they say the word.. 86.26.57.122 (talk) 11:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Section Production makes no sense.

Opening sentence:

"Apart from the animation style, Nick's Arnold wears a sweater, with his plaid shirt untucked (resembling a kilt)."

There's no context in which that could be 'apart from the animation style', so what's gone wrong here?86.182.176.137 (talk) 14:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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Speculative fluff

In this edit I removed most of the content in the Possible Reboot section for a few reasons. Most of it was excessively wordy original research that included analysis of fan activities, hints dropped on a Facebook page (which require interpretation, of course), explanations for why this rumored film was scrapped, and so on. None of this is really of value to an encyclopedia, which tends to focus on things that have happened rather than things that have not happened. The remaining content, which is centered on the possibility that the series could be revived can be summed up very concisely, which I have done. It's still speculative and could easily see someone removing it on the basis that it is WP:CRYSTAL. We are not a rumor mill, after all, and verifiability doesn't guarantee inclusion. I will very likely wind up doing that myself, but I'll let the dust settle here first. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:06, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

New TV movie article?

Should we create an article for the new TV movie in development? While Nickelodeon hasn't officially announced it, the new movie is Hey Arnold! The Jungle Movie, which was originally intended as a theatrical feature. Upgrader01 (talk) 02:38, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Even if Nickelodeon were to announce it, it would probably be premature to create an article. The threshold for movie articles to be created is that principal photography has to have commenced. (See WP:NFF) This is because plans get canceled all the time and projects get shelved. I don't know that there are specific criteria for animated TV movies, but 1) you should get community input at WikiProject Television to see what everybody thinks and 2) any article subject needs to have standalone WP:NOTABILITY. If reliable published sources are not talking about this project in any meaningful way, the article shouldn't be created. Makes more sense to me to start it off at the main Hey Arnold! article and/or List of episodes until it becomes notable on its own. Existance ≠ notable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:37, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

"Setting"

The entire show CLEARLY takes place in Brooklyn. Everything about the show implies it takes place in New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B10D:F2A4:851:2D4:8CC0:FBC8 (talk) 04:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

We don't publish inferences at Wikipedia, as one person's interpretation may differ from someone else's. We care about facts that can be reliably sourced, not guesses and feelings. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:51, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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