Talk:Herston Quarter

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because...

The current AfD NOM has suggested that if anything it is POV against the subject, hardly promotional.

However main reason for objecting to the speedy delete is that an anonymous IP speedy request while there is an active AfD I suggest can only be described as tendentious. Please let the AfD run its course.

Aoziwe (talk) 13:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry if this is the incorrect place to comment - but I am new to this.

The reason that I created this page was to inform the local community about the nature of the Herston Quarter development. As a local resident, I was not aware of the Herston Quarter Development until very late into the development process. Once I was aware of the development, I found it very difficult to find the relevant information. In this page, I have collated the appropriate government websites to reveal the sequence of events that lead to the development and the overall development process. I have tried to be as objective as possible. I am not affiliated to the state government, to the developer, or to the hospital. I am just a local resident, that supports the overall development, but is concerned about the lack of information concerning the development. The only personal reference I have made is to HQRAG website.

However, there is a second motive for creating this page - the preservation and provenance of historical information. Already there have been a number of web pages that have been deleted or modified. Wikipedia's ability to site (and date) a page, means that in future, it will be possible to use the way-back machine to retrieve historical pages. If there is no reference page (wikipedia) then it in nearly impossible to find deleted pages. This is a significant issue for a project that is expected to last at least 10 years.

Elliot Duff (talk) 12:18, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Elliot Duff. While my opinion is for a keep, I must admit it is not a strong one. The arguments put forward by the delete opinion are strong ones in terms of Wikipedia policy and guidelines. While your rational for the article may be noble, it is not what Wikipedia is here for. However, the suggestion by two of the !voters to-date is for a merge to the Herston article, to become a section in that seems to be a good one I think. With a bit of a rewrite you could salvage most of your content and keep it there perhaps. Aoziwe (talk) 12:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Elliot, with regard to your intention of saving links to documents about this development, Wikipedia is not a repository of links WP:LINKFARM, nor a free webhost WP:NOTWEBHOST. At best, most of these links will likely only be found in the future by checking the page history. I sincerely think that your objectives would be best met by putting all of this information that you have collected onto a free webhost such as Wordpress [1]. Derek Andrews (talk) 14:09, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Derek. As mentioned this was only my second motive - the first was to inform and educate - providing context and a summary of information to the people of Brisbane who have an interest in the Herston Quarter (without the spin and marketing). AS you can see below, the relationship between between the various hospital precincts is rather convoluted.

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Thanks for the feedback, but if it were to be merged, it would make more sense to merge with Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital. It is interested to reflect on the other development in Brisbane Queen's Wharf, Brisbane which redirects to Star Entertainment Group. Could the Herston Quarter page Categories: Proposed buildings and structures in Australia, which is redirected to a section in Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliot Duff (talk • contribs) 13:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I am rather disappointed with the action of merge. This is functionally incorrect. I appreciate that I came in late into the discussion, but Herston Quarter is not a location, it is a development - hence the change in category of Proposed buildings and structures in Australia. If this is to be merged into the Geographic location, the I would recommend that Queen's Wharf, Brisbane be merged with Brisbane rather than a site hosted by the developer. As I have suggested, if the page is to be merged then it should be with Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital. Once completed the site will be owned and managed by the Hospital. Elliot Duff (talk) 21:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

There is nothing stopping you providing the correct context and appropriately moving or replicating material to Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital. Aoziwe (talk) 23:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

The article at the time I proposed merging to Herston, Queensland did not mention that the redevelopment is to extend Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital, it only said the site is next door, and had become available for redevelopment.

I would still say that text about the site belongs in Herston, Queensland, and text about the hospital extensions belongs in Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital. I failed to find an article about the former Royal Children's Hospital that previously occupied the site. Was it part of the Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital or a separate hospital next door? If it was separate and notable in its own right, there should be an article for it too. --Scott Davis ^Talk 23:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Kerry Raymond has kindly created a page on the Royal Children's Hospital, Brisbane. As clarified on this page, it was a seperate Hospital. So ignore my comments above. The Herston Quarter and Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital are quite distinct. The problem has been with the language used by Metro North (the owners of the site) - in meetings with them about the development they have referring to the site as the Royal Brisbane. It also does not help, that the Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital page refers to the Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital Campus. Which technically does not exist - so this page should be corrected. What we are missing is a term that describes the Hospital Precinct. I notice in the heritage listing of the Brisbane General Hospital Precinct, it has now been renamed the Herston Hospitals Complex. Perhaps this reference could be created as a section of Herston, Queensland. To make things more complicated the Herston Quarter will eventually include two new hospitals - one public, one private. So my question to the Wikipedia community, is what is the best way to describe hierarchies (suburbs, precincts, areas, buildings) ? Elliot Duff (talk) 12:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Once again thanks for the feedback. The original Herston Quarter development involved the redevelopment of the the existing Royal Children's Hospital, Brisbane site, along with a number of surrounding heritage listed buildings, including the Royal Brisbane Hospital Nurses' Homes. There is no extension into the surrounding suburb - it is wholly within existing Hospital grounds. The quarter (originally) refers to the fact that it involved one quarter of the original hospital site. The former Royal Childrens Hospital has just been demolished. Image of original Hospital 01:03, 8 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliot Duff (talk • contribs)

In response to comments made by User:Coolabahapple in the Articles for deletion. It may be of interest to note that one of the Heritage listings has been removed from the Heritage website in the past 6 months Talk:Royal Brisbane Hospital Nurses' Homes. Elliot Duff (talk) 11:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)