Talk:Herr, wir bringen in Brot und Wein

Latest comment: 3 years ago by FordPrefect42 in topic Huub Oosterhuis ?

Huub Oosterhuis ? edit

In which way did Huub Oosterhuis contribute to this song, and on which of his texts are the lyrics based? I have got Peter Janssens' original songbook "Meine Lieder" lying on my desk, which is crediting Hans Bernhard Meyer alone for the lyrics. Also in the official GEMA record (GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 1474222-001; ISWC: T-801.679.768-6) Meyer is mentioned as the only lyricist. Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable sources, instead of some unaudited internet pages. – The song btw was written in 1969 as part of "Gute Nachricht für alle Völker" (Innsbrucker Universitätsmesse) celebrating Innsbruck university's tricentannial, and first published in 1970 DNB-IDN 575109777; OCLC 72273230, see peter janssens musik verlag. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 21:44, 9 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Two sources mention Oosterhuis. I don't know more. Some inspiration perhaps, not GEMA-relevant?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 9 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
It seems that the "Freiburger Chorbuch" (Carus Verlag) is the original source for this information, and that both websites have copied it from there. I do not have it at hand, but I hope I can check it this week in the library. I assume that information about the original author would definitively be GEMA-relevant, so I consider the GEMA-record accurate. Hans Bernhard Meyer was professor of liturgy in Innsbruck the time he wrote the mass lyrics (see [1]), so one would expect him to be able to conceive such a text without external inspiration (although Oosterhuis was a fellow Jesuit of Meyer at that time). In Meyer's publications catalogue (p. 12) the mass is credited to him and Janssens, no mention of Oosterhuis. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 22:44, 9 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
That - Meyer writing it - was the information I had when beginning the article. When I saw the other, I felt it was wrong not to include it, especially as Oosterhuis has an article where readers can find background, and Meyer doesn't. I may have been wrong. Could you perhaps write Meyer's article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Perhaps the inspiration was only for what became the refrain, - not the complete song? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Meyer has an article on de:, should not be too hard to translate it. I do not think I have any more information about him. Regarding Oosterhuis, I am pretty sure this is misinformation. I cannot prove it right now, but I am working on finding the truth. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 21:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)Reply