Talk:Hepatic stellate cell

Redirect pages for this cell

In this PubMed article, several synonyms are listed for "the stellate cell":

• Ito-cell,
• fat-storing cell,
• lipocyte,
• perisinusoidal cell

Should they all be made #REDIRECT pages? --CopperKettle 15:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No. Please PubMed hepatic stellate cells vs. ito cells and tell me which returns more articles. And now tell me why a layperson like yourself is editing something so specialized. Shouldn't you go back to playing tennis? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seunghwane (talk • contribs) 04:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

No I wouldnt. Stop telling me where to go or I will tell you there you should. I guess it was you who vandalised my page, mister "not layperson". Point to an official reason why Ito cell should be renamed to HSC. --CopperKettle 04:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Quite stupid attempt at vandalizing my page again, mr. Pro? Or was it "just a coincidence"? --CopperKettle 04:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Personally I have no objection to renaming the article if a valid reason is presented. And "valid reason" usually comes without smug-n-arrogant talk, but if such is the custom in some culturally backward communities, I will bear with it. --CopperKettle 05:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Response from an actual researcher: First of all, stellate cell does not refer to the hepatic stellate cell. Unless you say HEPATIC stellate cell, this simply describes the star-like morphology of a cell, and in most cases biologists will understand it as star-shaped cells in the cerebral cortex (as opposed to pyramidal cells, which are shaped like pyramids).

As for the reason for wanting the change the title, anyone who resists this change should at least pubmed "hepatic stellate cell" vs. "ito cell" or he should forfeit the right to edit any scientific article. However, since you are being recalcitrant, let me state a few of many reasons:

Since 2000, only 14 papers have published with the ito cell included in the title, mostly in laughable journals such as Chin Med J and Histochem J. In contrast, querying for hepatic stellate cell by entering "hepatic stellate cells"[ti] AND (("2000/1/1"[PDat]:"3000"[PDat])) yields 783 such articles, including those published in top journals such as Science and Stem Cell. Furthermore, broadening the query by typing hepatic stellate cell yields publications since 2000 from Cell, J Clin Invest, Cell Metab, Blood, Nat Med, Immunity, etc. As far as I could tell, the only instance when a serious journal mentioned "ito cells" was in Immunity, in 2007 when one group chose to use that name and in the same issue, another author reviewed this article, once again using this obscure nomenclature.

Still not convinced? Go to F1000 and search for "ito cells" vs. "hepatic stellate cells"

Or how about Annual Reviews? http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.immunol.021908.132629?prevSearch=%22hepatic+stellate+cell%22 -Does not mention the word Ito cell in the article but mentions HSC (not haemato...) many times

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.pharmtox.45.120403.095906?prevSearch=%22hepatic+stellate+cell%22 -Does not mention the word Ito cell in the article but mentions HSC (not haemato...) many times

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.nutr.20.1.395?prevSearch=%22ito+cell%22 -Does not mention the word Ito cell in the article but mentions HSC (not haemato...) many times

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.pathmechdis.3.121806.154311?prevSearch=%22hepatic+stellate+cell%22 -Does not mention the word Ito cell in the article but mentions HSC (not haemato...) many times

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.pharmtox.45.120403.095906?prevSearch=%22ito+cell%22 -Does not mention the word Ito cell in the article but mentions HSC (not haemato...) many times

• I know about "Hepatic"; after all, I wrote this wiki-article. This first edit on the top of this page was from 2006, when I was just starting to read on the subject (I created the article because HSC are reelin-expressing, and I was trying to do a decent article out of reelin.) And what is "not haemato.." >_<  ?
• I use PubMed, and yes, "HSC" may be used more widely in the literature. Then, 1st, why all the vandalism and hot air, why not discuss first.. 2nd, I named it "Ito cell" in 2006, AFAIR, because in the reviews on its discovery it was called so. 3rd, Google search for "Hepatic stellar cell" brings this article in the first position anyway.. and HSC is mentioned on a par with "Ito cell", again why hurry; 4th, "Ito cell" seemed to me more compact and giving due credit to the discoverer. Another point - your edits wiped away the inter-wikis and categories; try to be more careful.
• In Wikipedia, any person has a right to edit any article; what's why it is necessary to be polite. If you want "academic status"-oriented online encyclopedia, I recommend Scholarpedia or Citizendium. You can copy the current article into Citizendum and work it to perfection under your real name with little barging-in from "laypersons".

• "or he should forfeit the right to edit any scientific article"

  - Not sure about that; but trolling on other's pages certainly should. --CopperKettle 09:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
• Finally, if any other established wikipedia editor agrees to the change of the name, I'm not against it. --CopperKettle 09:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

• I looked at the history and discovered it was not me who created the page, I've only expanded it; and it was "Hepatic Stellate Cell" in the first place, some other guy changed the name (back then). So let it be HSC back again! It was uncareful anonymous edits and rudeness\vandalism that brought me to defend it. --CopperKettle 09:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

• Done. --CopperKettle 09:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Looking over the literature, both terms seem to be in common use, but I'd personally prefer "hepatic stellate cells" since this is a bit more descriptive - you can see at a glance the tissue type and morphology, whereas for "Ito cells" you can't tell anything from the name. Tim Vickers (talk) 15:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Pericyte

The link from pericyte seems awkward, as the link states pericytes are found in the CNS. I am not denying the fact these are around blood vessels, but the link does not seem to fit 69.138.157.32 (talk) 12:01, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Precusor to this cell

Do we know what precusor the cell have? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3281558/ Claes Lindhardt (talk) 20:47, 18 January 2023 (UTC)