Talk:Henrietta Hudson

Cubbyhole

Thanks on this catch, Armadillopteryx. That's another shocker, alas one I don't have time for this evening but hopefully soon. Star Mississippi 21:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: Of course, anytime! Armadillopteryx 21:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Former status

Thanks Pyxis Solitary for the clean up, had no idea there was a magazine template. I have one question about "former" in the intro, which is something I also struggle with as far as dropping the lesbian branding and no longer being a bar. Do you think now it sounds like it's closed? I agree with your edits, I'm jut not sure if there's another way to say it. Thoughts? Star Mississippi 19:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

It's was no longer a "lesbian bar" the day it dropped that from its description in 2014, and it will reopen as a "queer" space. Since it is no longer a bar that focuses on lesbians, nor is interested in being associated as such, it should be described as a former lesbian bar. Henrietta Hudson is now basically another place in the Village that welcomes lesbians, which is no different than any other place that is open to a lesbian clientele (a male gay bar does not become a "lesbian bar" because lesbians may go to it, nor does a Village diner become a "lesbian restaurant" because lesbians may dine there). Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 20:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I think it would be clearer to say something like Henrietta Hudson is [insert "an LGBT bar", "a queer venue" or smilar term] in Manhattan's West Village neighborhood. Until it rebranded in 2021, it was a lesbian venue. I'm sure we can refine the wording, but something of that general nature communicates that it's still open but no longer geared toward lesbians specifically. Armadillopteryx 20:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

That's more or less where I landed, Armadillopteryx. Something that indicates it's an operating establishment, that is queer-focused/friendly (or wherever we land) and the history can talk about its 1991-2014 life as a lesbian bar. Do you think that makes sense, Pyxis Solitary? I'm in agreement with you that it's no longer a lesbian bar, or even a bar in its current operation, but I think I'd read your edit as Henrietta Hudson is no longer operating. Star Mississippi 21:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

If memory serves me right, there is a recent article where the owner says it will reopen as a "queer human space" or something like that. It would, therefore, be accurate to include "queer" identified in the lead, and "...was a venue for lesbians...." in the second sentence. I can see where "is a former lesbian bar" can be misread. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 08:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Pyxis Solitary, that was this article, and this which I didn't add as it didn't have as much editorial as interview and wasn't sure about how it met RS guidelines. I might have to go down to see what this space actually is. Right now it seems like a restaurant, which meh? I'm sure it's better but pandemic fatigue is wearing on everyone. Will have a go at the lede, let me know what you think. Star Mississippi 14:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Gay City News is legit RS. Tagg Magazine has an editorial team, which means it has content oversight, and that makes it acceptable RS. It has been used as a source in several Wikipedia articles. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 10:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Pyxis Solitary:, knew Gay City News was completely fine and I use when applicable, it was Tagg I wasn't familiar with. Star Mississippi 14:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)