Talk:Hello Pro Kenshusei

1 Let’s Say "Hello!"

@Moscow Connection: Regarding 1 Let’s Say "Hello!", the title is already in English. Why are we using the nihongo template when the text isn't in Japanese? It looks unnecessary. lullabying (talk) 22:58, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

• 1. I'm not using the nihongo template anymore: [1].
  2. The title uses a circled number character that is often used in Japanese text, but doesn't have a straightforward ASCII equivalent. When I was creating the table, I decided to write it as "1", but there were other alternatives, namely "(1)".
  Let's just leave the original Unicode title then. Okay?
  P.S. By the way, could you please not revert my reverts? Read WP:BRD and start a discussion first. Cause that's really impolite and that's not the first time you do this. I can't help but thinking that you simply want everything your way. (That's how I feel when do this... Cause I don't see a valid reason to just revert, without asking the other person first. The matter is not really that important. There was no reason to revert immediately, was there?) --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@Moscow Connection: I reverted your edit because your edit summary didn't really explain your rationale for restoring the title (see WP:EDITSUMCITE). I also started a discussion for that very reason to avoid further reverting/edit conflicts. I do assume your edits are in good faith but I have to ask you to be more civil when approaching edit conflicts. Please stop with your personal attacks, just as you did to my talk page regarding Buono!. lullabying (talk) 22:07, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

1. ?!! I'm not sure why you said this... What about the matter we were talking about? Shall we put the original title back?
2. In my edit summary, I said I reverted the original title back. It was the original title and it was missing.
3. There was no edit conflict. An edit war? Yes, maybe. You reverted a revert of your edit, which could be seen as edit warring. But I don't really want to continue this discussion, I just want to put the original title back. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@Moscow Connection: I was responding to your comment about reverting your initial edit and included reasons why I have done so. And yes, edit warring was what I meant; thank you for clarifying. I believe we should leave the title as is right now. lullabying (talk) 23:15, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

"I believe we should leave the title as is right now."
— I believe we should revert to how it was before. And then you can try to convince your opponent that your version is better or that there is another, better, alternative. Read WP:BRD.
I'm very sorry but I don't want to waste my time on this. I will put the original title back. And then you can try and convince me it shouldn't be there. That's how Wikipedia works. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:34, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@Moscow Connection: Please don't make this an attack. I do not see you as an opponent. My reasoning is because I don't see why we need to include the stylization ① as the title is already in English and we already have a Unicode equivalent in transcription. It's not normally used in English text, which is what the English Wikipedia caters to. I have requested a third opinion on this as we are currently the only two editors on this article. I think the stylization note you put is acceptable, but let's see what they say on this. lullabying (talk) 00:39, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

3O Response: I think the 1 Let’s Say "Hello!" (stylized as ① Let’s say “Hello!”) solution is good. The "①" version needs to be included since it's used for official title but theoretically someone could have unicode problems/technically it's a stylisation/the citation doesn't render it/etc so listing the unproblematic "1" version first seems reasonable. You also both seem to agree on this. ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 10:23, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for taking this request! --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:10, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Moscow Connection: and @ReconditeRodent: Sorry to reopen this request but I just checked Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#Titles of media, which mentions "The titles of Japanese books, CDs, and other media products may incorporate typographical effects, punctuation, or capitalization conventions generally not used in reliable native English language sources" and "Avoid using decorative or unusual punctuation mark conventions in article titles, particularly if they do not affect the overall pronunciation of the name." So is it advisable to keep the stylization of the number? lullabying (talk) 22:21, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes, it is still "advisable" to keep it. The manual of style discusses article titles, while we were never discussing any article title. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
      • It doesn't seem like it's limited to article titles because it discusses Japanese titles of work in general. I will ask more about this. lullabying (talk) 04:36, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
        • WP:STICK. I don't understand how such a minor detail could matter so much to anyone. Is it really worth returning again and again and bothering more and more people? (I'm also talking about this: [2].) --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC)