Talk:Heathcote Williams

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Hello Wingspeed - possibly you can help with an item that should be added under this page's Television heading. HW was the subject of a short arts documentary, televised sometime in the 90s I think. There was an element of spoof about the programme as its subject didn't turn up until the very last minute - only to decline to take part. In fact he did appear earlier, but in disguise. Any idea?

Altcult101 (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Greetings, Altcult101. It was called Every Time I Cross the Tamar I get into Trouble. My recollection's hazy. Thanks for reminding me about the disguises etc. Shall augment the section accordingly. Regards Wingspeed (talk) 01:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Very elegantly put and nicely connected to this page's subtext on the opprobrium of celebrity. It also saved me having to delve into the cupboards to find my VHS copy of the programme. All best Altcult101 (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. It wouldn't be there had you not raised the topic in the first place. You're too kind. Still worth, if you can bear it, checking for accuracy against the VHS. (I notice, for instance that one senior member of the production team appears to have been misrepresenting (just my opinion) the film's content for possible, if understandable, career reasons.) My recollection, as I say, is hazy and - for all I know, though I hope not - what I've written could contain a howler or three. Wingspeed (talk) 23:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I will check as soon as I can find it. And yes, having just looked, that seems to be something of an unbalanced description of the programme. I also just re-read this page and wondered if the reference to The Immortalist premiering at Frestonia National Theatre is entirely accurate. I remember the event well but it was one of at least three "rehearsed readings" of the text (others in South London and Plymouth - judging by a photograph I've seen) that all predated the stage premiere at Sheffield. Altcult101 (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ahah, I should have done my homework before writing the above. 1st performance (stated in published copy) was at Oval House, Kennington. Neil Cunningham played the 278 year old man and HW the interviewer. There were a number of other reading performances including at Pentameters. Cunningham discussed this in an interview. Think also it was not Plymouth, but possibly Port Eliot, having looked again at the photo. So at the Frestonia performance Rappaport wasn't the 278 year old man, but the interviewer. Altcult101 (talk) 13:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Only just noticed your above two postings. Shall amend that caption accordingly. Immortalist had its origin as a spoof interview cooked up to fill an alternative, or 'Australian', front page for the Illuminatus/Immortalist magazine which became the de-facto programme for the Campbell/Langham stage version of Illuminatus! It was later extended into a one-act play. Neil Cunningham (Hagbard Celine) went on with evangelical zeal to do the two-hander at every opportunity for some years, both in the UK & in the US. I suspect Oval House may have been the first "commercial" performance; will try & check. At Frestonia, you're right . . . Immortalist: Cunningham; interviewer: Rappaport. The photograph would almost certainly have been Port Eliot rather than Plymouth. (Whale Nation, Sacred Elephant & Autogeddon were each first commissioned for the Elephant Fair, the annual festival which used to happen at Port Eliot in the 80s.) Have you by any chance a reference for, or copy of, the Cunningham interview? Would be very interested to see it. Would be useful for any Cunningham WP article. Many thanks again & regards. Wingspeed (talk) 14:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello Wingspeed, I remember the 'programme' for Illuminatus. I had a copy but it was borrowed by a friend and never seen again The Cunningham interview was part of an article about The Immortalist that appeared in The Chelsea Scoop. This was was something in the fashion of Warhol's Interview magazine but suspect there was only one issue. It was published by Charlie Tennant, possibly during a detox phase as a form of occupational therapy. I still have a copy, which includes the photo of the performance that I am pretty sure was taken in the round room at Port Eliot. Would be happy to copy this for you. All best. Altcult101 (talk) 17:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Notting Hill

The low rent end of Notting Hill is very, very high compared to pretty much everywhere around the world, so that people know. 91.132.224.196 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC). It wasn't very very high back then. More Rachmanesque. No mention of the free festivals involvement, the Ruff Tuff Creme Puff Estate Agency, and the panache and creativity with which he and friends liberated empty homes for homeless families? vstclair 31.05.2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.189.249 (talk) 00:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Poetry

I can't understand the basis for the deletion of the Cape "trilogy" paragraph (restored) but having had the whole "poetry" section brought back to attention I think that the first paragraph is more about "life & career", and part of the ultimate sentence is actually concerned with acting and recording work.Altcult101 (talk) 15:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Private Life section

Specific references required — particularly in view of potentially libelous nature of issues currently the subject of criminal proceedings. Wingspeed (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

AC/DC- the play

Thought I'd just point out that the AC/DC play mentioned in the article links to the rock group. Does someone want to start a page on the play and change the links? I know very little about this play so I couldn't help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaleeyed (talk • contribs) 13:35, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

family

Could probably do with rewording but basicly he married diana and had 2 daughters with her before splitting with her. He then was with Polly had one son with her before splitting with polly and later getting back together with dianaRafikiSykes (talk)

To be precise he was not married to Diana and after China was born they separated whilst he lived with Shrimpton. Lily was born after they reunited as a couple and later he moved away to Cornwall on his own, some time before he got together with Polly. Altcult101 (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thats fine, do you have references for it so it can be added. It took long enough to find a source for the existing stuff. RafikiSykes (talk) 20:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Jean Shrimpton; an autobiography: Ebury Press;Sep 1990, ISBN-10: 0852238584 and also Jim Haynes book Thanks for coming: Publisher: Faber and Faber, February 1984, ISBN-10: 057113176X. Mostly the information is based on personal knowledge, conversation and correspondence so not very wikipedic. However there is an article by Polly I have somewhere, from the Daily Mail I think, that I will try to find. Altcult101 (talk) 08:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

thats grat thank you. will be good to get some more sourced info to the this sectionRafikiSykes (talk) 11:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Corrected long-standing inaccuracy re marital status. Deleted details not contained in Daily Mail piece cited as source. (Confirmed via phone call to Williams that, contrary to Mail's assertion, he & Diana Senior have never in fact married.) Reverted to earlier wording. Wingspeed (talk) 03:57, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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