Talk:Heart of Midlothian F.C./Archive 1

Archive 1

Country listing

Snowbound - the country is not the UK - it should be listed as Scotland - as it is with every other Scottish league side. You say in your edit summary "Anymore reverts will be reported to wikipedia" - that tells me you don't really understand how this place works. There is nothing to report to anybody - listing Scotland as the country is the standard for all Scottish sides - by constantly editing in the UK (which is not the standard and not the long term consensus of other wikipedia editors) your edits may be construed as purposeful vandalism. If you disagree with the situation then post here and other editors will chip in with their views, but don't start a revert war - that is not cool. SFC9394 14:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not listing the country, it's the ADDRESS of the ground. The address should end United Kingdom. No UK postal address uses Scotland, England etc. Scotland is also a nation by the way, NOT a country. Our country is called the United Kingdom.

My point is very valid. Stop thinking you own the damn entry.

Can you please sign your post with four tildes as the welcome notice on your talk page suggests - thank you. As for the issue at hand - it is not an address - it neither gives a street, or the postcode - and no other club page treats it as an address. I will repeat with absolute clarity for you - no other scottish league side has uk added - indeed no other english side even has a country listed. I will also state with 100% clarity here snowbound (since I have just seen the personal attack you made against me on the Rangers talk page[1]) that the way you are going about this is not going to get you anywhere. This is a collaboratively built encyclopedia - collaboration, discussion and consensus decide what does and does not go in, and using foul language against me is not going to help your case one bit. The very small number of edits you have made have all being doing the same thing, and this suggest you are only here to push your POV, not contribute positively to the encyclopedia. Don't make personal attacks against other editors - that is a warnable offence - and don't change this article text back without coming up with substantive and valid reasoning for why it should go against the standards used by every other side in Scotland (and England). SFC9394 11:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I know this is off the topic but to the guy who stated 'Scotland is also a nation by the way, NOT a country' is wrong. It has already been agreed on the Scotland page that Scotland is both a country and a nation. You are getting country and sovereign state mixed up. Also on the Downing Street web site it describes Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland as Countries within a country. Therefore Scotland is a country and nation and the UK is a country, nation and sovereign state. So please get your facts right. Just got kinda ticked off sorry people.

So according to Snowbound's opinions, which he appears to want to ram down everyone else's throats, we're not allowed to have our own national identities any more? I'm English, but please don't hold it against me all you scots reading this ;-), my friends and neighbours to the north of that particular border are Scottish, my neighbours to the west are Welsh, and my neighbours further west and over the sea are (north of their own border) Northern Irish - how dare you try and force us to take on your own pile of PC nonsense. Snowbound - listen to this bit carefully, and hopefully you might understand and learn something: yes, we all live in the UK, but there are 4 different nations as far as the sport of football is concerned (amongst other things) please explain exactly when the UK football association and UK football league system were formed, as it appears to have passed everyone else by completely. Sure, from a political point of view, we are linked in many ways, but that does NOT apply to football, and this article is about a football club - get your facts right and stop being so darned pedantic!!!

Romanov

this site is all wrong Romanov is the greatest thing that has happened at Hearts the players aswell. Is he really the nutter that this article portrays him to be? no he is not (82.43.189.130 12:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC))

Listmania

I removed the list an anon editor had added as I thought it was becoming a bit listcrufty. I hope that is ok. On a similar note, I wonder how we can format the notable players section so it doesn't dominate the article. Any thoughts? --Guinnog 18:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you are right about the lists, although adding the coaching staff (what the anon had added in list form) is quite common on more developed articles and probably worthy of inclusion. If you look at the Celtic and Rangers articles, their non-playing staff sections just about go as far as listing the tea lady!

I think the notable players section would better suit its own page - see List of Arsenal F.C. players or List of Chelsea F.C. players as examples - with a link from the main page and through the Template:Heart of Midlothian F.C..

Similarly, the History, particularly the Romanov era section, is also getting quite long and probably also needs moved out, similar to what has recently happened with the Scotland article. I imagine this would be a time-consuming and daunting task though, as major work is required to expand the earlier eras and remove the bias towards the recent. Caledonian Place 09:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I have re-added the non-playing staff, more or less in the format used on the Celtic and Rangers pages. Given that the larger lists created by User:DavyJAllan are now on separate linked pages, I thought their addition would add something without verging on listcruft. Especially given the current size of the Hearts "board"! Caledonian Place 02:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

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Dates & dashes

En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

John Rebus

In his book "Mortal Causes", the writer Ian Rankin portrays Rebus as a Hearts supporter. But in the SMG television production, he comes across as supporting Hibs! Millbanks 08:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Heart of Midlothian F.C.#Mascots

I have created this new section to merge in information from the 'Tynie Tigers' page that was about to be deleted as an expired prod. I should be grateful if one of the editors here can check the accuracy of the second sentence please? TerriersFan (talk) 23:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

hearts colours

I added a comment about Hearts playing in red, white and blue. Here is a site that would seem to confirm that.. http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottish_Football_League/Heart_of_Midlothian/Heart_of_Midlothian.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmloyal (talk • contribs) 18:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

History : World War 1

I'm surprised there's no mention in the history section of the Hearts team enlisting at the start of World War 1. Some info at http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/WarMemorial/0,,10289,00.html --Phil Barker 13:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I concur. Jack Alexander's book 'Mcrae's Battalion' an easily referencable historical source, documents how Hearts were instrumental in saving football from being axed during the first world war when the whole first team signed u en masse. This was a significant chapter in not only the club's history but the whole of football and deserves a mention.Tarzanlordofthejungle (talk) 13:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hearts Colour

I am a little sorry I started this. But Hearts' first colours were white as far as my research takes me. There is also an urban myth that the colour maroon was developed when someone washed the red/white/blue shirts in the boil wash86.131.209.137 (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Which references are you using for your research? If they meet Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources, there shouldn't be a problem adding your material to the article. Doonhamer (talk) 16:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hearts Record Signing

On January 31st Heart of Midlothian paid the Belgian side Racing Genk £0.85 million for their Bosnian international winger Mirsad Beslija.

This was a significant sum of money for Hearts as he became the clubs record signing. Since signing for Hearts Besliga made only a handfull of appearances even though he was reasonably well liked by the fans. The fact that Hearts paid a huge amount of money for an international footballer then hardly played him is just one of many strange happenings at Tynecastle in since Vladimir Romanov took charge of the club. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Srm12 (talk • contribs) 18:10:49, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Beslija struggled with injuries and then when he came into the team, he was pants. Nothing to do with Romanov that one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.59.85 (talk) 02:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Notable players

I trimmed this list; these can become terrible cruft magnets if they are allowed to grow unchecked. Most good football team articles have clearly defined criteria for inclusion on the list. It's usually 100 appearances for the club or something universally (ie not just by fans) regarded as exceptional. The danger is that this list could otherwise eventually duplicate the category. Hope that makes sense. --John (talk) 22:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Can I ask how players such as Andy Webster, Alan Maybury and even Paul Hartley have been added to notable former players yet Hearts legends such as Henry Smith, John Colquhoun, Scott Crabbe and even Big Dave McPherson have been omitted? The person who trimmed this list clearly knows nothing about Hearts. 28/4/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.59.85 (talk • contribs)

Trimmed again, to those with 100 apps or more, pending some other consensus here. --John (talk) 01:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

STOP PUTTING ANDY WEBSTER THERE HE WAS NOT A NOTABLE PLAYER! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnythingGoesLikeThat (talk • contribs) 15:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I am going to remove the tag and assume that 100 appearances for Hearts is the criterion for inclusion. Feel free to restart this debate if anybody disagrees. --John (talk) 20:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Twirly

I'm sure the Twirly is quite a tradition at Hearts - but to say it's been recently been taken up by Newcastle & Man U is well wide of the mark - this was very common in the early 70's in England (and I'd imagine Scotland as well) - done to different tunes at different clubs - "As I was saying Goodbye to my horse" was popular among Yorkshire clubs. I remember Leeds supporters doing it to the words "As I was saying goodbye to the shed" when the scratching shed was closed and demolished to make way for the new South Stand - which dates this at around 1974

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Talk:Hearts#Primary_topic

There is a discussion about this article at Talk:Hearts#Primary_topic. The question is whether or not there is a primary topic for Hearts, and, if so, if it is the US card game. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 21:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Kits 2011-12

The kits for the new season have now been added to the main page the only thing thats wong with them is the socks if anyone is any good with templates and nows how to change them it would be appreciated. Warburton1368 (talk) 16:36, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Brian Whittaker

Think its very sad that you guys have not put together a page on the Late great Brian Whittaker who was a very influential player for hearts during the 80s and 90s who tragically died in a road accident in 1996

 Fixed Jmorrison230582 (talk) 18:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Squad table format

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Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was merge into Vladimir Romanov's ownership of Heart of Midlothian F.C.. -- Number 57 16:06, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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FBK Kaunas to Hearts does not merit an article of its own, the fact that Hearts have had lots of players on loan from Kaunas is already mentioned in the Hearts article, and a second sentence saying that this has caused a (very mild) controversy could be added - a long list of pen pictures of the players involved is not required as a standalone article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support per nom. GiantSnowman 10:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 10:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support but merge to Vladimir Romanov's ownership of Heart of Midlothian F.C.. Blethering Scot 13:24, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
• Support – doesn't require a standalone article, but be merge to Vladimir Romanov's ownership of Heart of Midlothian F.C.. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 06:29, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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Clubs Nickname

I've always understood that the clubs nickname is Jam Tarts. Jambos is the nickname for the clubs supporters. This needs corrected.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.238.60 (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

You are correct and this has now been rectified.Blethering Scot 17:46, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciation

There really isn't a need for the Pronunciation in my view for Midlothian. Even if there is that is not how it would be pronounced hence the revert. Obviously if people think its needed then reinsert but would need correction.Blethering Scot 22:10, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Its pronounced exactly as it reads. Mid Loth Ian how hard is that to pronounce. Or Mid Loth Ien if you have a twang. Eithier way it's not hard or correct. 212.183.128.110 (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

So you're basically saying that you know it better than Merriam-Webster. And "exactly as it looks" doesn't apply to this word. The spelling doesn't tell you where the stress falls, what kind of the TH sound it has (voiced or voiceless), and whether "o" represents /oʊ/ or /ɒ/. Both of you failed to present a source which would contradict what Merriam-Webster says. Now is your chance to do so. Also, please use IPA. English spelling is too ambiguous and illogical to rely on it when it comes to phonetics. --Helloworlditsme (talk) 14:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Im Scottish from Edinburgh, Midlothian and a Heart of Midlothian supporter i know exactly how it is supposed to be pronounced. I don't think its needed as sounds exactly the way its spelt but if it is at least get it correct in the first place.Blethering Scot 17:15, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm from West Lothian and I've always heard it pronounced as low-vee-in (unfortunately I'm yet to get to grips with I.P.A., so I've written it out in normal English). 88.104.253.133 (talk) 22:05, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Fine, so why don't you write - in IPA, to avoid ambiguity - how it's supposed to be pronounced. Because as I pointed out, there isn't one way to pronounce it. --Helloworlditsme (talk) 02:56, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Liquidation in 1905

I note the event of the company owning/operating the football club being wound up in 1905 is not mentioned at all in this article. Should this be rectified? 84.12.135.125 (talk) 12:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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Support base of Hearts/Hibs

Near the foot of the main article here, there's a section on "Rivalry" that promotes the myth that football support in Edinburgh is mainly sectarian. That all comes from Tom Devine's work, which sees all Scotland through west central Scotland eyes.

As anyone who lives in Edinburgh knows, support is first and foremost geographical. Hibs are primarily the "greater Leith" team – from Trinity across to Portobello – whereas Hearts are more heavily supported to the south and west of the city. Sure, the Catholic/Protestant thing has crept in a little more recently from less desirable elements but they're not traditions either club accepts (c.f. Rangers/Celtic).

I've made alterations to the page but it's hard to provide citations/references for something so obvious and it's been removed once already by some guy in the North of England who understandably knows nothing at all. Anyone got any ideas how to reference this? Giant Jambo (talk) 00:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Locking the page

This page seems to have been targeted by vandals. Would it be possible to lock it for a while? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shughamster (talk • contribs) 15:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes I would like it locked to and go look at hibs page it is so funny Bob fatty 101 (talk) 08:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Lock the page

Vandalism Bob fatty 101 (talk) 08:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

What do you think the game tonight way hibs will be like

Game against hibs what do yous think ALF132007 (talk) 19:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Chart of Hearts' yearly table positions in The League appears to be wrong

The chart doesnt seem to show relegatons and promotions in late 70s and early 80s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.187.195 (talk) 14:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Most Capped

Currently it states Christophe Berra as the clubs most capped (with 41). Does this simply mean the player with the most caps for their country or the player with the most caps earned while at the club? If the former then I believe it should be changed to Craig Gordon, who currently has 54 caps for Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeanoMachino (talk • contribs) 16:36, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah it should be.CoatbridgeChancellor (talk) 16:39, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Capacity

This has to be one of the pettiest disputes I've ever seen on the site, and argument of less than 250 seats.

Does anyone have a reliable current source which shows Tynecastles capacity as either 19,852 or 20,099?

CoatbridgeChancellor (talk) 01:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

article suggests that main stand complete in 2017 ... yet, I believe that it is STILL incomplete ... 51.148.191.21 (talk) 11:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Why Chairman not Chair or Chairwoman

 Why are we using Chairman with women? When working for large international companies and governmental institutions it is was changed to Chair more than a decade ago, so why are we (in Wikipedia) still persisting with the use of Chairman when referencing a female Chair of a company or institution? Scotscott (talk) 13:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

On Heart's Webpage it is primarily chairwoman, so you are right, but they do have a small contradiction which is in describing the CEO's role the page says he is "Reporting directly to Ann Budge in her role as Executive Chairman". That could be a typo, but it chimes with a vague memory I have of an interview some time ago where Ann said she was happy/preferred to use the title chairman. In general I think we should use what the person prefers to be called (to do otherwise is to impart our bias over the wishes of the person), but unless someone has more tangibles on the vague memory I have then perhaps chair would be the best option here. SFC9394 (talk) 16:34, 5 August 2023 (UTC)