Talk:Healthy narcissism

Pop psychology

I've never done wikipedia editing before, so if I do something wrong, please tell me.

"Neville Symington challenged Kohut's belief in positive narcissism, arguing that “we do not get positive narcissism without self-hatred”,[8] or negative narcissism. While one could talk of healthy self-confidence and positive self-esteem or self-confidence, he considered that “it is meaningless to talk about healthy self-centredness”[9] - that being the core of narcissism. Nevertheless pop psychology has taken up the idea of healthy narcissism as an aid to self-assertion and success.[10] It has indeed been suggested that it is useful to think of a continuum of narcissism, from the healthy to the pathological, with stable narcissism and destructive narcissism as stopping-points in between.[11]"

To me this gives the impression that healthy narcissism has been pushed into the realm of pop psychology and has no merit in psychoanalysis today. Regardless of any questions about the validity of psychoanalysis, I think the wording could be changed, or a sentence added, to change this connotation, as Self psychology is still a popular and influential psychoanalytic school and the very popular Intersubjective approach draws very strong roots in Kohut's work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CC09:3210:A92D:A86C:D2DA:6F8 (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

merge

Hi, I propose to merge this article into Narcissism, and redirect to a subheading. This makes for an interesting subject, but would come more to its right in the broader subject of narcissism as a whole. It would also help if we had some more authors, or a more wide variety of sources on the subject. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 17:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

On balance I am probably against a merge but the issue is quite complicated. There was a general purpose "Healthy Narcissism" section in the narcissism article which has got lost along the way and we now have just a section relating only to Solan's Healthy narcissism. The old general purpose section ought to be restored with maybe a sentence or two on Solans view and link to Healthy narcissism. Also i think it can be listed as a subsection under Narcissism#Other_forms_of_narcissism as "Solan's Healthy narcissism" where a paragraph on this can be inserted with a link to Healthy narcissism. I think that most of the subsections in Narcissism#Other_forms_of_narcissism could justifiably be separate articles as well.

However i think Healthy narcissism should be improved particularly to explain better how it varies from other views on healthy narcissism. It may also be worth doing a Wiki article on Solan as he seems quite notable.--Penbat (talk) 18:40, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Following on from above - this article would probably need renaming ""Solan's Healthy narcissism" unless it was to cover all views of healthy narcissism. It would also be interesting to get views from other psychologists on Solans work. --Penbat (talk) 18:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I can find very little on Solans work elsewhere, but would like to have a go at covering healthy/positive narcissism more broadly here. The question of merger would still remain open of course, but perhaps the balance against merger would be strengthened somewhatJacobisq (talk) 13:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Excellent - yes it would be better to cover "healthy narcissism" more broadly from different authorities. --Penbat (talk) 13:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I think it would be best to move much of the material in Narcissism#Healthy_narcissism to here and replace it with a summary and link to here.--Penbat (talk) 13:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)