Talk:Hawaii's 2nd congressional district

Lead image

Who exactly came up with the idea for the lead image? It's horrible. I have no idea where the hell in the state of Hawaii the 2nd congressional district is. Display name 99 (talk) 03:45, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Another image would be better. This one was probably used because it was available for free as a work of the U.S. government. We can't just copy and paste from copyrighted sources. Anyone know of a better free image? —ADavidB 04:41, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

I concur with the original post. This image is useless. 2603:3018:A9E:0:209B:4803:7E6A:9838 (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Ed Case

I don't know how to edit the table properly. There was no one-day break in Case's service, and the seat was not vacant. The special election term ended on January 3, and the next Congress began on January 4, but he had been re-elected and he didn't leave Congress in between. His service was continuous from the time he took office in November 2002 until he gave up the seat at the beginning of 2007. JTRH (talk) 11:55, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I've removed the supposed one-day vacancy from the table. —ADavidB 13:04, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I believe there was a one-day vacancy. The new term began on January 3, even though the House might not have convened until January 4. —GoldRingChip 16:16, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Was the special election for the two-year term at the same time as the special election for the last two months of the previous term? JTRH (talk) 22:15, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Oddly, no. They were on separate days. See 2002–2003 Hawaii's 2nd congressional district special elections. —GoldRingChip 23:27, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Now this is an unusual situation...Case's tenure in the two-month term apparently ended when the 107th Congress ended on January 3. The special election for the two-year term in the 108th Congress was on January 4. The 108th Congress began on January 7. The usual practice is for the seniority date for a member chosen in a special election to be the date of the special, rather than the date of oath-taking. So, Case was a member of Congress for all or part of January 3 (previous term). He was a member for all or part of January 4 (seniority date of the new term). He was sworn in with the other members at the beginning of the Congress on January 7. I can't determine whether the House considers his seniority to have been interrupted. So I'm not sure that it can be documented whether the seat was theoretically vacant for approximately a day. JTRH (talk) 01:21, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Update: The Clerk of the House does not appear to consider his service to have been interrupted between the 107th and the 108th. Scroll down to page 8. http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/Terms_of_Service.pdf JTRH (talk) 01:29, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Interesting! Well, his service was barely interrupted at all and it wasn't practically noticeable. In effect, he left on a Monday and came back on a Tuesday. It's only an issue for pedantic encyclopedia articles. Check the Bioguide here. Now just to be clear, the term of office for the 108th Congress did not begin on January 7 — it began on January 3, but the House and Senate did not convene or begin business or swear in or elect the Speaker, etc. until January 7. It's the difference between the position and the work: sometimes your job starts on the first of the month, but the office doesn't open on the weekends. —GoldRingChip 02:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

But if they'd been sworn in on the 3rd, there would have been a vacancy from the 3rd to the 4th, when the special election happened. JTRH (talk) 11:53, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Yup. —GoldRingChip 00:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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