Talk:Hatha yoga/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 06:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review; the review will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 06:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

 

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Many thanks for taking this on, I look forward to working with you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Lead

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• References to Matsyendaranath and Goraknath are essential inclusions.
• Dattatreya Yoga Shastra as an early reference is well spotted.
• Buddhism and Hatha, (lets include Vajrayana also) an unusual connection, possibly apocryphal stories included here, but the connection is strong and validated in the article. Noted.
• A strong lede, most certainly lets the reader know what's coming.
  • Thank you.

Origins

Earliest textual references

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• tongue being pressed against the roof of the palate and tongue pressed into nasopharynx might be distinguished?
  • These are already both mentioned in 'Earliest textual references'. Nasopharynx is bluelinked for any readers who wish to look that term up; I've added "further back" as slightly redundant clarification.  Done

Transition from tantric Buddhism

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Birch's citation is most symbolic.
• concept of fire (agni) in the body is frequently overlooked.
  • Noted.
• Chinnamasta , Hayagreeva appear in both traditions.
  • Perhaps we can't say everything in one article.
• Amṛtasiddhi is a good summary; amrta is well known in some schools of Hinduism.
  • Noted.

Early haṭha yoga

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• In the summary, the distinction about the Nath process with layayoga is important;
• coming to the conclusion of raising kundalini without mentioning bindu; noted.
  • Thank you.

Classical haṭha yoga

Haṭhayogapradīpikā

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Reference 17 implodes to 404
  • Removed URL.  Done

• mudras (internalized energetic practices) as different from hand mudras. (Q. Do you need to say this?)
  • Added note.  Done

Post-Hathayogapradipika texts

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Texts and references noted.
  • Thank you.

Modern era

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Namarupa Issue 03 Published on Jan 7, 2009 article starts on page 27. Reference 26 seems to go elsewhere?
  • Added correct URL (not that one); date is March 2012. 3(15):1-27 seems to be correct.  Done

• The online version of reference 29 does not give any reference to derision as stated in the text, Hindu and Muslim elites and ruling classes viewed Yogis with derision. Please consider.
  • The citation is correct, try "scorn" of which "derision" was a paraphrase. See also Singleton 2010 p35, for instance.
    Resolved

Yoga as exercise

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Indra Devi !
• Yes, the propagation in the West through many schools.
  • Noted.

Practice

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Required characteristics of the yogi noted. Good translations.
  • Thank you.

Diet

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Mitahara v. doshas ...
  • Probably a bridge too far for this article.
• (leave a quarter of the stomach empty) (mentioned in many traditions)
  • And it's mentioned here.
    • Noted

Purifications

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• I have read of Shirdi Sai Baba doing basti.
  • Indeed. Not sure we'd want to mention him here, however.
    • Noted.

Breath Control

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Ghatavastha, Khumbaka, good inclusions.
  • Thank you.

Mudras

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Good summary.
  • Thank you.

Meditation

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Nada Brahman known and noted.
  • Thank you.

Goals

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• The aims of Haṭha yoga in various Indian traditions have been the same as those of other varieties of yoga (I would say that the aims (in various traditions) in the past have been .... I would be most reluctant to say that Yoga asana today promotes siddhi; rather, it promotes wellness, well-being, and whatever else all those peoples with yoga mats seek. But siddhi, no.
  • Reworded; these goals are not shared with mainstream yoga-as-exercise and the section does not suggest that; it explicitly states "in various Indian traditions".  Done

• Fringe practices are definitely far removed from the normal presentation of Indic religions. While not mainstream, they are practised by small sects.
  • I think this is clear from the section.
    • Agreed

• bubhukshu ; yes, the yogi, the bhogi, and the rogi.
  • Noted.

Differences from Patanjali yoga

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Decent summary. Neat inclusion of Yogatattva Upanishad.
  • Noted.

See Also

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Noted

Notes

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Noted

References

Bibliography

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Mallinson, James (2016). "Śāktism and Haṭhayoga". In Wernicke-Olesen, Bjarne (ed.). Goddess Traditions in Tantric Hinduism: History, Practice and Doctrine (PDF). --> goes to 404
  • Removed link.  Done

 

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End Matter

Is it is Broad in its coverage?

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Yes. While this appears to rely on Mallinson a lot, exploring the Bibliography shows the breadth of coverage, and gives reinforcement to citations of Mallinson.
  • Thank you.

More End Matter Stuff:

1. Does it follow the neutral point of view policy?

• Yes.

1. Is it stable?

• This page took life on 10 September 2003;
• There are 215 page watchers
• There have been 1,471 edits to the page by 557 different editors
• There are 2217 links to this page and 825 links out.
• Given that this page describes a world-wide popular form of yoga practice, the edits/editors are not an unusual number
• Examination of page history shows steadiness; no evidence of edit warring.

1. Top editors are

    * Chiswick Chap
    * Iṣṭa Devatā
    * Ms Sarah Welch
    * Samenewguy
    * VictoriaGrayson
    * Hipal
    * Joshua Jonathan

1. It is illustrated by images ?

• Yes.
• Images have attibution ( in the public domain in its country of origin),
• Images have attibution (public domain because it has been released by the Los Angeles County Museum of Art )
• Creative Commons permission: 3.0 Unported, Attribution-Share Alike 4.0

Overall

• Mallinson tells, Many texts explicitly state that it is practice alone that leads to success
• What is success in Hatha Yoga. Have we answered this?
  • Mallinson here states "Many texts..." i.e. Medieval sources such as HYP studied by scholars, so "success" relates to the aims of classical haṭha yoga.  Done

Conclusion

May we kindly attend to matters raised above?       --Whiteguru (talk) 08:07, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• • I believe all have been addressed now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
    • Thank you for your courteous and prompt attention to matters raised. --Whiteguru (talk) 02:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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