Talk:Hannah Montana season 3

Vandalism?

It's clear somebody has vandalized this page. Please edit it. Thanks.

Fixed. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 20:43, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem, thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.255.89 (talk) 02:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Country

Hannah Montana was not created in Canada, ONLY in USA, please stop posting that' it's created in both USA and Canada. Thanks Alec2011 (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC).

Plots

Stop posting unofficial plots for the episodes. Please have a refrence of where you got the official plot. Thanks :D - Alec2011 (talk) 15:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Season 3

I've added season 3 news from an official Disney Channel source. Thanks :D. - Alec2011 (talk) 21:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Episodes

I changed the way the episodes pages looks. Please keep it up for a while to see how people like it. Thanks, :D. - Alec2011 (talk) 19:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

i built on yours--Jay M. Baxter-Payne (talk) 23:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

readly set don't drive

is the first ep. not hes not a hottie hes my brother.--gdaly7 (talk) 10:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for that? --AussieLegend (talk) 10:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

He's Not A Hottie, He's My Brother has promos on Disney Channel. Thanks, :D. - Alec2011 (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

No Sugar, Sugar

This is counted as a SEASON Episode, it shouldn't be on the season 3 episode page. There is no airdate for this episode at the time. Disney released saying that they have to look over the episode again. STOP POSTING IT AS A SEASON 3 EPISODE WHEN IT'S NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Alec2011 (talk) 02:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

An airing of the edited version of this episode has occured as a season 3 episode, but I'm not sure when. Anyone have a citation for this? 76.186.150.94 (talk) 21:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

As indicated in the article, the edited version is "Uptight (Oliver's Alright)". This is mentioned in the season 2 entry for "No Sugar, Sugar". --AussieLegend (talk) 05:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Opening number

the opening criets or what ever you call it is completely redone for season 3. some one should put that in --gdaly7 (talk) 13:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the reminder. Thanks, :D. - Alec2011 (talk) 22:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Spelling Mistake

The word concert is wrongly misspelled as 'comcert' in the opening credits section

The word switch is wrongly misspelled as 'swtich' in the opening credits section as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahse (talk • contribs) 23:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

If it's just a spelling mistake, then fix it yourself. No one will disagree, and since the misspelling was unintentional, everyone will agree to change it.

and if you can't change it. some one will soon, spelling is always being corrected. there are people who just go around fixing spelling errors --gdaly7 (talk) 19:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Important notice to everyone

Please note that deleting or editting legitimate talk page comments, as has been done several times to this page (e.g. [1], [2],[3]) is disruptive and considered to be vandalism. I have restored inappropriately deleted comments so the page is now as it should be.

Please also note that new additions to talk pages should be added at the bottom of the page, not the top as some have done. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Also i have added auto archive so it will move old post after a time to a archive. --gdaly7 (talk) 18:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you understand the purpose of the "auto=yes" field. It doesn't automatically archive the page, it just automatically links to already archived pages, functionality that is included in {{talkheader}}, as I've explained to you elsewhere. See Template:Archive box#Automatic links for more information. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

sorry ok now i know. just links. --gdaly7 (talk) 19:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Episode Plots?

These plot outlines mostly sound like they were written by a typical Hannah Montana viewer. Any chance someone could tidy these up and make them more encyclopedic? 86.16.116.194 (talk) 22:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Selena Gomez???

I swear Selena Gomez is in the crowd during Oliver's rap in Ready, Set, Don't Drive. Problem is there is no-where that even talks about this, let alone varifies this. Any ideas??? 202.7.183.132 (talk) 06:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

As Disney shows are made close to one another this is possible, but this kind of appearances are never credited in short forms. It takes a movie for some credit (like Miley Cyrus in HSM2) for such a short appearance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.152.103 (talk) 22:43, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

toonzone.net as a source of future episode information

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=220680 is being used to justify the addition of information for a future episode. I have been removing these references as this is a forum posting on a fan run website. See http://www.toonzone.net/aboutus/. The person who made the posting Burgundy Ranger Jetix schedule editor has a home page http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/prstuff/ that indicates no official capacity with Disney that would provide him with official information.

From my talk page:

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Stop reverting my posts on the HM Season 3 episodes page, because that forum is a RELIABLE source for DC information. We've been using it as a source for a long time now, and They get the information STRIGHT from Disney Channel communications who send out schedules to them. I have solid proof, so this is your last warning. Alec2011 (talk) 04:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

The site is a fan site. It does not meet the requirements as a reliable source. Stop adding unreliable information. From the site "Toon Zone is an animation news and information web site run by a group of devoted animation fans." --NrDg 04:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

To add - your assertion that you have proof is unpersuasive. It would be more effective to provide it. --NrDg 04:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I have the link from the Owner of the site, with the schedule, I can show you they have a schedule that's reliable, then can we keep it as a reliable source? Also, how can it not be a reliable source when all the information as been true to what Disney Channel has aired on Television but the dates are released before it's on Disney Channel, but what the forum says, it's always right.....?....? - Alec2011 (talk) 04:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Let's continue this discussion on Talk:List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 3) so others can participate. --NrDg 04:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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Please provide information that we can examine. The only information that is trustworthy is something directly from Disney or some published guide like TV Guide. --NrDg 04:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I see your ONLY looking at the Toon Zone Website and not the Forum page..... The website says: "Toon Zone is an animation news and information web site run by a group of devoted animation fans...." but the forum doesn't say that at all. Also here is the link from the Disney/Pixar Forum section, and he sent me this: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/prstuff/schedule2.pdf as this is a RELIABLE source from Disney Channel from July 2008. Alec2011 (talk) 04:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I get a 404 error for the .pdf. Do you have a copy? If the .pdf has a Disney Channel letterhead it is probably a reliable source of information. If he keeps a copy of the schedule, assuming it is DC official, that he legally has the right to have on his site, then we could link to that copy and use that as a reliable source. Unfortunately without knowing how he gets the information it is not possible to trust its accuracy. --NrDg 05:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Aside - the text at the bottom of the forum page says "This is an unofficial site. All characters and related indicia are © and TM of their respective owners." --NrDg 05:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm currently talking to get a new link. Are you talking that we could link the schedule as the reference? Alec2011 (talk) 20:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

We'd have to examine it but if it can be shown that we are linking to an official publication of Disney Channel and not to someone's interpretation of it and the person hosting that link has a legal right to have it on his website (no copyright violation on his part), then we could link to that publication as a reference. I suspect from reading the forum that Burgundy Ranger has got on the mailing list that Disney Channel sends to published guides like TV Guide. Also it looks like he is currently having some problems getting that mail so he might have an unofficial source at DC that is sending him stuff, but not consistently. If it is from an covert inside source he may not be willing to have anyone link directly to a copy of it. If this is from the feed that DC sends to TV Guide and others, we will get the same info when TV Guide puts it up on their website in a few days so this won't really buy us much. Overall future episode info is not that important to have as the episode will eventually air and we will have all the information a List of Episodes article needs for that episode. Usually TV Guide is sufficient for advance info. --NrDg 21:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for him to reply. Also, the future episodes are important, because we know when it will air, so we don't make plans, and see what the episode will be like. As for the TV Guide websites, they aren't that reliable. They put information up that's not true, and the wrong airdates, then take up to a week or more to change, so it's not really that reliable.... Alec2011 (talk) 03:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

TV Guide meets all the requirements of being a reliable source. See WP:RS for reasons why. No source is 100% accurate but TV Guide gets official information from all programming sources - any errors are from their information feeds, not TV Guide. --NrDg 17:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for the information, as he mixed up the schedule, but he should get back to me sometime today. Also, can I ask why Showfax isn't a reliable source, as it is an acting info site which as names of episodes that are being produced and announced by Disney.... - Alec2011 (talk) 19:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Showfax is a reliable source for planning information, the purpose of the site is to let actors know what parts are available. It is not a good source for episode lists as we need completion information - what actually happened, not what was planned to happen. The only thing that is available without a paid subscription is tentative episode titles which is not of much value as they often change before broadcast. Also a tentative title without a summary description and a pretty firm broadcast date does not add anything of real value to a list of episodes article. --NrDg 19:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

The reason we add future episodes of Hannah Montana, is because we know what episodes are coming up and we already have a section to add more information if needed. Also, don't get mad, but everytime we added the information, you always told us that showfax ISN'T a reliable source, but now your saying it is..... Also, he sent me the schedule through e-mail, so how do you want me to show you? - Alec2011 (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

(undent)Showfax isn't a reliable source of information for episode articles or episode titles as I explained above, it is a reliable source of information for some other purposes - for actors looking for a part. See WP:RS for an explanation of this concept.

He needs to post the email he received on a (his) website without any editing and with enough information to show that it came from an official source. It must be available for anybody to verify its contents, not just us. Nobody is going to take our word on its contents without their own ability to verify it themselves. An email from him that just duplicates what he posts on the forum is no different than a link to the forum posting that is the original point of contention. Basically I have no knowledge of who this person is, he has no reputation for fact checking and how and where he gets his information. Anything he provides must be self proving, an original PDF from a known authoritative source, would do, IF made available to anyone to examine.

If you wish, you may get other peoples opinions on this issue by asking the question on the reliable sources noticeboard. I will go along with any consensus formed there about this issue. --NrDg 23:55, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh OK. Is there A way for me to upload the .pdf file to wikipedia? Also, as for the .pdf file, the policy is that he can't release the Current Month .pdf file to anyone, but the one he gave me is November's Schedule (Which as you know was changed so many times). So he sent me the only Full Month Disney released to him for November 2008. - Alec2011 (talk) 03:39, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Go to WP:Upload and follow the directions. Choose work of someone else who allowed it to be used in Wiki, which I assume is the case. Note in the comments that this is temporary to allow others to examine the file to see if it is usable on wikipedia. Then post a wikilink to the uploaded file here. I'll take a look and see if it can stay. --NrDg 04:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Disney_Channel_November_2008_Listings.pdf. I hope I filled in all the information right, I don't think I did the permission right, but I never uploaded anything before so there it is. - Alec2011 (talk) 18:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It's good enough for now - I'll fix it up if needed. See my reply at WP:RSN on the topic you started. See what others say. --NrDg 20:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok Two Things. ONE: I see you said "I am not sure this person has the legal right to release the information to the web forum......." He told me: "As long as we stay within Disney's six-week rule...." Which means that he can post the information for the month, but has to wait 6 weeks before he can release the schedule out to the public...... The other thing now is, since we have proof that the forum is using a schedule from Disney, can we still post future episodes? - Alec2011 (talk) 22:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Above comments belong on the topic you started at WP:RSN - see what others have to say. --NrDg 22:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the template used in the episode articles

A discussion is underway at Talk:List of Hannah Montana episodes#Changes to the template used in the episode articles about whether we should use a non-standard template that excludes episode summaries or do as most episode articles do and use the standard template that includes episode summaries in the main episode list article. Please share your thoughts on the matter. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Article Intro

The introduction for this article states the episodes will run from November to May. Season 3 episodes are still currently airing as of June. Should this be changed? But there is a citation included so I am not sure as to how to proceed. ShuffleStop (talk) 01:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

New HM 2-Part Episode

I added the info for the new HM 2-Part episode. NrDg said that I could add the info and I've told him the correct info to put. It's relaible and it SHOULDN'T BE DELETED!!!! - Alec2011 (talk) 21:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Title References

I have come to the conclusion that there have been several title references missed.
Ready, Set, Don't Drive
“Ready, Set Don’t Go” by Billy Ray and Miley Cyrus
Don’t Go Breaking My Tooth
“Don’t Go Breaking My Heart” by Elton John & Kiki Dee
Would I Lie To You, Lilly?
“Would I Lie To You” by Charles and Eddie
Welcome to the Bungle
“Welcome to the Jungle” by Guns N’ Roses
Papa's Got a Brand New Friend
“Papa’s Got a Brand New Bag” by James Brown
Knock, Knock, Knockin’ On Jackson’s Head
“Knock, Knock, Knockin’ On Heaven‘s Door” by Bob Dylan
You Give Lunch a Bad Name
“You Give Love a Bad Name” by Bon Jovi
What I Don't Like About You
“What I Like About You” by The Romantics
Promma Mia
“Mamma Mia!” the Musical
I Honestly Love You (No, Not You)
“I Honestly Love You” by Olivia Newton-John —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.230.157 (talk) 13:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

They haven't been missed. All of the title references constitute original research and have been removed. --AussieLegend (talk) 14:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Unaired Section

Do we really need an Unaired section, we had that before however people voted to not have it. Plus an encyclopedia WOULDN'T have an unaired episodes section. - Alec2011 (talk) 18:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

When did people vote not to have an unaired section? Regardless, things can change. Your assumption that an encyclopaedis wouldn't have an unaired section is incorrect. There are unaired sections in many articles in Wikipedia. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter either way - editorial choice. Usually gets removed when there are no reliably known future episodes. Doesn't change the need for good references and it is an error-prone maintenance annoyance when people move episodes between the unaired and aired tables. I prefer not to have an unaired section but won't remove one if there. --NrDg 19:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I have never seen an encyclopedia with an Unaired Sections, nonetheless, remember when season 3 started and there was this little column: !colspan="7" style="border-bottom: 3px solid #CC99CC;"|Upcoming episodes list

People didn't want it there, I think the discussion got taken off or something. I agree with NrDg, and there really is no use for it plus we know it hasn't aired by the Airdate anyway so there really is no importance for it except make it harder to post episodes. - Alec2011 (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

How many encyclopaedias have you seen that include lists of episodes? Open up Encyclopaedia Brittanica and you won't see any. What exists or doesn't exist elsewhere is irrelevant. See Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. I really don't care whether it's there or not but now that it is, I'm not going to bother deleting it. Some other editor has obviously seen a need for it so I see no point in deleting it. There are far more important issues to be concerned about, like editors who keep adding original research. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

JUDGE ME TENDER is Already AIRED !!!!!!!!

Hey guys, Why it is written that judge me tender will air on 18th october? It is already aired on disney and it is also availble on youtube too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HwEPq0Tc0s . I think you guys should change the date. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 03:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Verifiability policy requires that claims are verifiable. There are three citations from reliable sources, including two from Disney, that state it will be aired on October 18, 2009. TV Guide, another reliable source, supports this. That is why October 18 is used in the article. YouTube is not a reliable source so it can't be used to support an earlier airdate, especially since the airdate isn't mentioned. --AussieLegend (talk) 03:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

So what are you trying to say? The episode on youtube is the leaked version or they stole it from some where. OH COME ON !!! --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 16:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I saw the complete episode myself, then what was that? An illusion or something? It is obvious that episode is already aired then why are you not believing? --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 16:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

What I'm saying is exactly what I said. We can't use a YouTube video to justify changing the dates as YouTube is not considered to be a reliable source. Ask yourself this, if we were to change the date, what date would we change it to? In support of your answer, please supply a citations from reliable source. --AussieLegend (talk) 21:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I know the episode has already aired, however this is the info I have incase this is to happen again. The reason you saw Judge Me Tender early on Youtube, is because the episodes of Disney Channel shows are always available one week early on Disney On Demand. The airdate for regualar Disney Channel viewers is the date that was listed (October 18, 2009). So the date is correct and your info is true, however not the official airdate that you proposed. - Alec2011 (talk) 19:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Episode numbers "He Could Be The One"

I have found reliable sources of Hannah Montana episode lists (IMDb.com and TV.com) that state that "He Could Be The One" should have two episode numbers. Because they also have two production codes (found in the episodes description on TV.com). Before starting such a big edit I wanted a little debate on this. So shall we change the episode numbers of all episodes since "He Could Be The One" and make this episode a double episode like "Achy Jakey Heart" in season 2? WillH (talk) 13:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

IMDB.com is not reliable. TV.com is the only of those two sources that could bear on this. —C.Fred (talk) 13:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

TV.com isn't reliable either. When this episode was originally aired it was listed as two episodes for a while but all of the reliable sources including the Disney reference,[4] identified the episode as a single, special episode. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

What's a reliable source can become a ongoing discussion. Because what is and was the source for production codes for the episode list of Hannah Montana. Episode numbers / production codes info isn't shown by www.disneychannelmedianet.com. You can than say that the info presented here is found on unreliable sources and should be removed. But that's not what we want, so we have to make a decision. Because www.disneychannelmedianet.com only tells us that it's a one-hour special episode. WillH (talk) 13:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

What constitutes a reliable source is explained at Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The general consensus is that neither IMDB or TV.com are reliable sources since anyone can edit them. There are some exceptions on both of those sites but they don't apply here. I'm not a great fan of production codes on Wikipedia. Their sources are rarely cited and most seem to be original research. Even if reliable sources can be found for the production code for "He Could Be The One", it doesn't change the fact that reliable sources, including Disney's own release, state it was a single episode so all that really needs to be addressed is adding the missing production code to the existing entry. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Than we seem to agree on the point about the production codes here on Wikipedia. Thanks for your explanation, I was wondering what source the English Wiki could have for these codes. But now I understand that they are not of entirely credible source(s). I also read the Disney document and indeed shaw that it was called a single episode. Now I can duplicate this info on this list to my home Wiki, the Dutch version. We entirely depend on English sources for foreign TV series info and you gave a reliable source with this (Disney) link. WillH (talk) 21:53, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

In My Veins I Live In Hannah Montana

With this edit I've reverted several changes that were made earlier today. The problems with these edits were so numerous that there wasn't enough space in the edit summary fields so I've had to detail them here:

1. "In My Veins I Live In Hannah Montana" isn't listed at either of the general references in the article and the people changing information decided not to provide any references, other than a Youtube video that, aside from not being a reliable source and a link to a copyright violation that is explicitly not permitted, doesn't actually prove the title to be "In My Veins I Live In Hannah Montana". Maybe that's the French translation, but that doesn't mean the English title will be the same. It's extremely likely that it won't because it doesn't make sense.
2. Obviously, because the episode isn't cited, the episode numbers aren't cited either.
3. The episode entry was obviously copied and pasted from "Is Miley Saying Goodbye?", because the reference used is from that episode. The reference doesn't mention "In My Veins I Live In Hannah Montana".
4. "The U.S. air date is unknown so far,altough some rumors place it on January 31 2010" - Speculative and therefore original research, which is not permitted.
5. The added Youtube reference uses the same reference name "<ref name=the_end>", as the reference for "Is Miley Saying Goodbye?", overwriting the reference used for that episode in the references section.
6. Episode numbers for "Is Miley Saying Goodbye?" - Neither are cited, ie more original research!

Obviously, this episode should not be added again until such time as somebody provides citations from reliable sources. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Uncle Earl

The article says that Uncle Earl reprises his role in season 3. I have read an article that mentions Billy Ray Cyrus talking about how he is excited to be on the set of Hannah Montana with Uncle Earl again, but so far he hasn't appeared in any episodes in season 3. Will he be appearing in one of the last 3 episodes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.58.199 (talk) 20:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The last two episodes of Season 3

For proof that "Miley Says Goodbye? Part 1" is about Miley decided whether or not to go back home to be with her horse Blue Jeans y'all can visit http://www.amazon.com/Hannah-Montana-Miley-Says-Goodbye/dp/B0030IIYXO . Have a good weekend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.211.187 (talk) 23:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Hannah Montana the movie

I have a question, in between what episodes was hannah montana the movie it used to say but I can't find it. --216.232.216.224 (talk) 00:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

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