Talk:Han Kuo-yu

The Hánliú wave

Could someone provide some reliable external sources that will prove the word for Han Kuo-yu phenomenon came from the common phrase 'Cold wave is coming', rather than "Korean wave"? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 13:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I did a search and came up with nothing except articles like this one: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2018/11/17/2003704390 which seem to indicate that "winter is coming" has a negative connotation, i.e. it's used to reference the fact that he lost in the presidential election. DrIdiot (talk) 06:36, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

In any case, I deleted the reference. Can't find a source and it doesn't really make sense. DrIdiot (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Not related but

I find it funny that he looks like a stock photo! Great Mercian (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Lots of irrelevant details

I think some sections of the article contain tons of seemingly irrelevant details. The worst example is the paragraph on his trip to Macau, which seems to be a laundry list of all the places he visited (basically pulled from the reference article). I think we can cut down some of this stuff. Hesitant to do it without some discussion though. Thoughts? DrIdiot (talk) 06:44, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Public image

The context of Han’s donation of campaign funds (including the NT$1 million to Chang’s foundation) is well sourced and uncontroversial. Before removing this content, please provide an argument backed by reliable sources. Butterdiplomat (talk) 17:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I am reverting this edit for the following reasons:

1. Chang’s foundation to which Han donated NT$1 million was not described in the news article that talked about the donation, and its mission is not reported by any reliable sources; it isn’t notable in this case, and supplying the foundation’s website seems out of place here
2. Similarly, Han’s foundation website is cited to support the statement that it received commendations from multiple schools, retirement homes, and NGOs; this was not reported in any reliable source nor the news article cited
3. The blurb about legislative violence is purely original research, and the source used not only describes events that occurred after Han’s violent acts, but also fails to relate to Han
4. Lastly, the claim that Han had heard Chen said something before assaulting him is another case of original research to be avoided

As a general note, this page should not read like Han’s personal website or PR bio; it should reflect what has been reported by reliable sources. Butterdiplomat (talk) 21:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

All - please note 四条河原町 made another reversion without attempting to discuss here. Butterdiplomat (talk) 21:28, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

The introductory sentence on taiwanese Legislative violence should not be deleted as they are substantiated by sources (including a VoA news article) and I have retained the NT$ 1M elaboration on Han's campaign donation. The additional information on Chang's foundation was added for context but I am content with the deletion.

Chen's inappropriate comment on veterans was a documented fact and ought not be deleted; what I wrote was that Han assaulted Chen following Chen's remark and that is not original research. As for the commendation that Han's fundation received, there were photographs of letters from NGOs and schools so those were not research but factual informations 四条河原町 (talk) 21:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

“Legislative violence” was not cited in the articles outlining Han’s physical assaults on his colleagues. Chen’s allegedly inappropriate comment was also not included in the article reporting the assault. Your assessment that Han heard those comments and interpreted them one way or another before assaulting Chen is original research. Please refer to WP:OR for more information. Butterdiplomat (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Legislative violence was a prevalent phenomenon in Taiwanese legislature organs and multiple sources have shown that Han's acts of legislature violence was a part of the historical trend and it is of utmost importance for the reader to be aware of the context. 四条河原町 (talk) 21:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Chen's remarks were documented in the video and in the meeting notes being cited, I ask that you examine the sources before making your comment. 四条河原町 (talk) 21:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

if a fistfight in the Legislative Yuan is not legislative violence I implore you to define this term and tell me what constitutes legislative violence. 四条河原町 (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Those claims are not related to Han’s incidents of violence. Assaulting another legislator to the point they are hospitalized for three days (and widely covered by press) is simply not a product of any larger legislative culture as your paragraph seems to imply. The reports on these incidents do not attribute them to any cultural phenomena, so I would once again suggest refraining from original research. The same goes for your original research on Chen’s comments. A YouTube video or meeting transcripts are simply not reliable sources that support the claims you added. Butterdiplomat (talk) 21:58, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I must note that in the past you have deleted my source-substantiated edits on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_Politics documenting factual information; your edits also demonstrate a pro-DPP tendency that is not in alignment with the principle of neutrality. 四条河原町 (talk) 21:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I have not deleted your sourced edits unless they constituted original research, as in this situation. I further disagree with your assessment of my political leanings and suggest that you assume edits are made in good faith. Butterdiplomat (talk) 21:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

you literally deleted my edits that were direct citations from DPP and KMT's respective charters, citing then as original research when they were not. 四条河原町 (talk) 21:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

On the contrary, I removed your claims before you added any sources. Please keep the discussion relevant to this page in any case, thanks. Butterdiplomat (talk) 21:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC)