Talk:Hamid Mir

Unreferenced Material

90% of the statements in this article are undreferenced.He is a very honest & truth full person.This MUST be fixed. According to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons:There are confusing claims in this article.There is no credible evidence that he was born in Lahore.Some reports claim he was born in Sialkot.There is no evidence that his birth name is Hamid Mehmood.Some analysts say he is pro Taliban other say he is US agent.Please remove all this confusion with credible information.

We must get the article right.[1] Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2]

If you add material to this article is must be referenced. Especially Negative or positive comments. If you could start with the material statements I've already tagged this would be a good start. Seriously some editors would take one look at this article and blow the whole thing away.- SimonLyall (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

But there is no reference added to the claim that his birth name is Hamid Mehmood.According to a picture(cricket team members of 1985-86 session) hanged in the sports hall of Government College University in Lahore(from where Hamid Mir graduated according to the wikipedia article)his name is Hamid Mir.A college professor Khalid Butt was a senior of Hamid Mir and he told us that his real name was Hamid Mir not Hamid Mehmood.Wikipedia must contact Hamid Mir for clarification —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.65.180.239 (talk) 16:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I have added the viewpoint of a vast community, which think that Hamid Mir is doing what is against the interest of Pakistan and its people. So kindly do not try to eliminate this view point. (This viewpoint has its own arguments and proofs). Otherwise, this will become a self-praised article, showing only one side of the picture. I agree but somebody should provide more references about the criticism against Hamid Mir.There is one article against him in the Newsline magazine but without any name.Please provide references because i am writting a paper on Hamid Mir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NewsForAll (talk • contribs) 23:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Part of the "neutral point of view" of wikipedia is to ensure that positive and negative aspects of the person are in the article ( simplifying a little). However statements must be referenced to reliable to authoritative sources. - 10:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hamid Mir does not live in Islamabad.He lives in Rawalpindi.I think lot of information in this article is incorrect.Somebody must make some corrections or contact Hamid Mir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.170.118 (talk) 13:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Some Facts about comments from 210.2.170.118
Anyone who live in Pakistan knows that Islamabad and Rawalpindi are twin cities, without any distance between them. This IP address is generated through Link Dot Net, an ISP whose regional Office is in Islamabad. It is quite understandable if IP address of Islamabad is generated for users from Rawalpindi.
The second major fact is that Hamid Mir used to be in Islamabad most of the day and evening time. He is working in GEO, and his office is in Islamabad. In day time he remains in his office, in Islamabad. His live program "Capital Talks" ends at 21:00 PST, so he remain in Islamabad beyond this time. Very important evidence and fact can be found if you go through the contribution of this user 210.2.170.118, all his comments are added between 7:46 UTC and 15:25 UTC. If we convert these times, it will be from 12:46 PST to 20:16 PST. This is the time duration when Hamid Mir is not sleeping or taking rest at his home (Rawalpindi), but this is the time when he use to be in his office, in Islamabad.
Another important fact, which reflect the reality. His program "Capital Talk" is broadcasted live from 15:00 to 16:00 UTC (20:00 to 21:00 PST), from Monday to Thursday only. So he is busy in his program from 15:00 to 16:00 UTC, from Monday to Thursday. There are only 6 comments from 210.2.170.118, during the time 15:00 UTC to 16:00 UTC. These 6 comments were added on 2nd January 2009. The day on 2nd January 2009 was Friday, and his program is not broadcasted on Friday.
These are the facts of edit history of 210.2.170.118, till date, i cannot say if new comments will be added in future contrary to this routine, just for the sake of argument. NewsForAll (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Biased Material

Yes i agree that Hamid Mir is controversial but its an open secret in Pakistan that Mr.Zaid Hamid have started a compaign against him and may be he is trying to prove him a double agent through wikipedia.You must be careful about the material included about him by Zaid Hamid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.170.118 (talk) 13:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Zaid Hamid is more controversial than Hamid Mir. I personally do not agree with him (Zaid Hamid), for all his views. I have searched the internet and found there are more discussions about him than Hamid Mir. Another fact is that Hamid Mir's page on Wikipedia is visited 2878 time in December 2008, while Zaid Hamid's page on Wikipedia was visited 23967 time in December 2008. After searching a lot, i found that he does not try to defend himself in a way like Hamid Mir does. He stands by his views and respond to his critics with arguments, which he claims to be his strong point.
I have read this article many times, but could not find anyone trying to prove Hamid Mir as double agent (as 210.2.170.118 claims). I think this is just his over consciousness. This situation is better explained by an Urdu saying "چور کی داڑھی میں تنکا".

If there is any thing added by Zaid Hamid, which is baseless or have no proof, then we should remove such things.NewsForAll (talk) 05:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Reply From Technophile84: I think that people do not understand the fact that the wikipedia is supposed to be a encyclopedia, it is not a forum where you can give your opinion about some one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Technophile84 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

This is not a forum, correct. But this page is reserved for discussion between the contributors. I think contributors can exchange their views here. It is the sole purpose to provide this facility here. However, discussion or cross-commenting within the article should not be tolerated. NewsForAll (talk) 05:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Problem of Unnecessary Comments

People are trying to adjust cross comments here. This page is about Hamid Mir, so it should be just about Hamid Mir. No need to put paragraphs about the other personalities. On one location there is a comment about Hamid Mir, made by Zaid Hamid. I have put the link of Zaid Hamid there, if someone wants to know who Zaid Hamid is. There is absolutely no need to put a paragraph about Zaid Hamid, after his comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NewsForAll (talk • contribs) 11:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

About the changes done on 9th Jan. 2009, by user 210.2.170.115
Hamid Mir faces criticism on putting his effort in those issues which create negative image of Pakistan. This criticism is made by those analysts who take care of national interests(Kindly name the analysts with some evidence or links). So the proper word to describe his critics will be Pro-Pakistan.(Please provide names and evidence about these Pro-Pakistan people)
If you put the word "Some" before analysts then it shows that there are less than 10 people who contradict to the ideas of Hamid Mir. Which is obviously not true, so the word "Some" is not suitable.
This page is about Hamid Mir, so extra commenting will be useless. He has Tilak on his forehead. It is self-explanatory that what does it mean. I did not try to elaborate religious significance and use of Tilak in Hindu religion; just because this page is only about Hamid Mir. So i think this explanation is extra. I am removing it and giving external links. If anyone interested in knowing the details can visit these links.
Another important thing you put here was about "West" or "Western". Being Western is not a bad thing, and no one opposes any thing just because of being Western. Here on this page the word "West" is used in contrast to Pakistan and national interests of Pakistan. It was used to explain that a Pakistani journalist is working to serve Western agenda, rather than Pakistani interests. Pakistan has its own interests and Western countries have their own. This discussion is also irrelevant to this page, and should not be included.

== Another aspect

210.2.170.115 wrote in this article
"Hamid Mir did a special show on Geo TV in support of Palestinians on January 11th 2009 and he was critical of USA"
This sentence was added by him at 14:38 11 January 2009 (see History of Article). And the program was broadcasted live on TV at 17:00 11 January 2009. No one knew what the program contents are, and this person wrote about the criticism within the program, more than 2 hours before the program was broadcasted. Now there is no doubt that 210.2.170.115 is Hamid Mir itself. This IP is tracked to be from Islamabad, where Hamid Mir lives.
Dear Mr. Hamid Mir do not try to glorify yourself here. Leave this biography as neutral and do not try to make it self-praised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NewsForAll (talk • contribs) 18:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I guess the most obvious explanation would be that the programme was broadcast at 17:00 PST while the edit was made at 14:38 UTC ( about 2.5 hours later) . - SimonLyall (talk) 19:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

"News for All" should understand that wikipedia is a encyclopedia, this is not a forum where you can say anything without any proof. Technophile84 (talk) 14:31, 12 January 2009

Re: Correction of the fact about time, with Proof
The TV Program of Hamid Mir is named "Capital Talk". Normal braodcast time for this program, in week days, is 20:00 PST. In routine this program is not broadcasted on Sunday. The particular program was a special program. On 11 January 2009, Sunday, it was broadcasted at 22:00 PST , which is equal to 17:00 UTC. And the edit on this article was made at 14:38 UTC. So obviously edit was 2.5 hours before even program was on air.
Watch this video of that special program of Capital Talk about Palestine, on 11th January 2009, http://www.awaz.tv/playvideo.asp?pageId=1889
You can see the time during this program, at right bottom, under the logo of GEO news. This will show the truth.
Here are the links for routine broadcast of this program, the time you will see is 20:00 + PST...
http://www.awaz.tv/playvideo.asp?pageId=1784
http://www.awaz.tv/playvideo.asp?pageId=1844
http://www.awaz.tv/playvideo.asp?pageId=1688

I am interested in knowing the source of information "SimonLyall" have put here, that the program was broadcasted at 17:00 PST. Can "SimonLyall" mention it please? - NewsForAll

Can you please sign your posts. The 1700 time was posted by you in this edit. Anyway we can't prove the post was Mir or somebody connected with the programme - SimonLyall (talk) 08:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Confusion of time, in terms of UTC and PST
Kindly remove the confusion and misconception about PST (Pakistan Standard Time) and UTC (Coordinated Universal Time). In the post you referred, I wrote that program was on air at 17:00 UTC and edit was made on 14:38 UTC. If we talk in Pakistan Standard Time, the program was on air at 22:00 PST and the edit was made on 19:38 PST. In both cases edit occurred 2.5 hours before the program was broadcasted.
And about who was behind that post: We are not here to prove things in a similar way as they are proved in judicial courts. We talk about the facts. The fact is that program was broadcasted live (as you can see the top left corner of the video of this program) Program Video. No one knows about the contents of any live program unless it is broadcasted, especially the talk shows like this one "Capital Talk". Only the host/anchor knows what he/she is going to say, although he/she too cannot predict what the guests in program will say. The second fact was that IP address is from Islamabad, where Hamid Mir lives. My conclusion was based on these facts. NewsForAll (talk) 11:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Another Aspect
Beside the discussion of who is behind this post. We must also consider the other aspect of this matter. 210.2.170.115 wrote "Hamid Mir did a special show on Geo TV in support of Palestinians and he was critical of USA" [1]. This sentence obviously meant to pretend that program has been broadcasted and Hamid Mir has criticized US. In fact, this sentence was written 2.5 hours before the program was bradcasted live. All talk in the program was live (not recorded), which means every thing actually happened 2.5 hours after the sentence was written in this article. Is it not a clear false? It is not a deliberate effort to damage the truth? Should not the writer of this sentence be banned from the site? NewsForAll (talk) 11:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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The promo of the said programe was on air from January 9th.Its add was published in The News one day before the show so it was not difficult to say about the content because Hamid Mir was speaking against UN in the promo.Don't try to be over smart.You are putting wrong information about him in the name of objectivity.Plesae prove that his real name is Hamid Mehmood and not Hamid Mir.Do you have any evidence?I am Munir Solangi from Islamabad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.170.118 (talk) 12:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: 210.2.170.118 aka Munir Solangi
If you are saying that you are Munir Solangi its ok. Although you have to prove it too.
Thanks to admit (as i proved it earlier) that comments were added before the program was even broadcasted. Now can you tell me what justification you can give for this sentence you added, before the program was on air.
"Hamid Mir did a special show on Geo TV in support of Palestinians on January 11th 2009 and he was critical of USA"
"Hamid Mir did a special program" : This means that program had been broadcasted, by the time you wrote this. Can we say that you wrote the Truth? Should not we say that you wrote Untruth, False? From any ethics this Untruth can be justified? After such irresponsible comments can we believe that you always write the right things?
"he was critical of USA" : You admitted that in promo (on the basis of which you wrote comments) he was criticizing UN. Why you write that he was critical to USA? Hope that you can distinguish between UN and USA.

Another thing you mentioned about his (Hamid Mir) name. This is not relevant to me, as this change was made by another user. You can ask him/her for the proof. NewsForAll (talk) 05:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Quality of article

This article is a complete mess and about three times as long as it needs to be. I have the impression people have been cramming in statements from various points of view, trying to make sure all views are represented. This is not what Wikipedia is for. The article should be a reasonably concise summary of the facts of his life and career, not a laundry list of interviews, "controversies," threats, etc. Someone with the necessary time and knowledge should do a rewrite (and then it should probably be at least partially protected). Languagehat (talk) 15:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I've just gone through an chopped out a lot of the extra stuff. Probably more could be removed - SimonLyall (talk) 08:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

for hajj

aap haaj kay baaray main bhi kuch bat karrain jo log pareshan hain..on kay baray main baatain.. on kay saat jo agency walo nay dhoka diya hay on kay baaray main baat karain .jin kay koothay 300 kay thay onhonnay 1000ki booking ki onho nay aakri main dhoka diya orr on kootha nhi diya.. orr dhokay main rakh diya kay aj kal ho jai ga ho jai ga...aab end main aa kay onhon nay kaha hay kay kaam nhi ho paya hay .. agaar aap kuch aapni raai news ya newspaper main dain to bohat aacha ho ga —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.141.224.8 (talk) 15:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

balochistan ka maslah ye mari ap k pas beta he aisay loogoon ne kharab kia he

balochistan ka maslah ye mari ap k pas beta he aisay loogoon ne kharab kia he

balochistan ka maslah ye mari ap k pas beta he aisay loogoon ne kharab kia he

balochistan ka maslah ye mari ap k pas beta he aisay loogoon ne kharab kia he — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.156.8.62 (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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NPOV

This article is hardly neutral. The edits clearly show editors' bias for Mir's work. Adjectives like "famous" and "Zardari-led" are surely not objective. I'm new on here but IMHO this page's POV should be made more unbiased. Leo Pacificus (talk) 18:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2013

180.178.136.203 (talk) 18:22, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Please specify what edit you want to be done. -- SMS ^Talk 19:30, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I edited the article and added material about his assassination.--Ali.wali.4550 (talk) 15:59, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Assassination attempt

I have edited this section and added ISPR and ISI statement about attack. Without any proper reason donot edit this section--Ali.wali.4550 (talk) 05:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC).

I have given proper reasoning in the edit summary. Come here when you have read WP:NOTNEWS. -- SMS ^Talk 06:01, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Since all major news papers reported the allegations against the ISI, it should be included. To preserve the NPOV, i have made sure to highlight that it is only an allegation made by Mir's supporters and not what actually happened. not including the allegation will introduce a pro isi bias to the article as the other side of the story is being silenced. both sides of the story must be presented without bias so that the reader may draw an informed conclusion of the events. Also why is the previous bombing attempt of 2012 being removed? to the guy that keeps reverting my edits, maybe you should edit the text to better present a neutral point of view than retardly reverting all my edits.Pvpoodle (talk) 05:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Though it was not necessary to add every blaming statment, anyhow I copy edited per WP:NPOV.Justice007 (talk) 11:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2014

Three bullets were removed during the surgery while three still remain in Hamid Mir’s body. http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-145204-Geo-News-senior-anchor-Hamid-Mir-was-shot-six-times- A2usmani (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:12, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Do not Add any Claim without proof

Some one added that he was awarded Hilal-e-Imtiaz for his Work on RAW & CIA, this is very serious claim, without authentic proof and citation DO NOT add anything. User:Fushan007 13:38 April 23, 2014 (UTC)

The patriot Pakistanis hate the most him in view of his love last for anti-Pakistan elements. His wealth has swollen during last ten years. He is among the notorious black-mailers. Social media is an evidence indicating the levels of hate of common people of Pakistan, whose calls are not aired by live shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.154.207.244 (talk) 01:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Sympathizer

Hi, the article links to the wrong Taliban. Mir is suspected of being in cahoots with the TTP (Pakistan Taliban). The Afghan Taliban to whom the article links are mutually friendly with the Pakistan intelligence agency, the TTP are not and it is them that Mir is often accused of supporting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.192.217 (talk) 04:02, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2014

Hamid Mir accused ISI of attack on him. Protests started all over the country against Hamid Mir and his channel to support Pakistan Army. The Defence Ministry of Pakistan send a request to PEMRA (Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority) to ban GEO and Jang Group after their allegations on ISI and security agencies. 151.64.43.122 (talk) 18:04, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:41, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

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Cleaning this article

• "... security expert, war correspondent, .. " what is reference of this statement, otherwise I am removing this. @Saqib: --Spasage (talk) 21:07, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
• ".. with numerous mainstream Pakistani newspapers .. ", reference. Is there is a list of mainstream Pakistani newspaper. @Saqib: --Spasage (talk) 21:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Removing above two from the article. Received no response form user @Saqib:. Any comments @NeilN:. --Spasage (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead. You don't need my permission but make sure you don't remove anything which is sourced and which can be verifiable via RS. --Saqib (talk) 03:59, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Last time you @Saqib: undo some of my edits and then @NeilN: join the conversation. This article is full of unreferenced items and needs cleanup. You can read talk page to get background. I guess for long, few people are resisting cleanup. I hope we do not get into conflict this time around. --Spasage (talk) 16:25, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Spasage: I joined the conversation because I noticed both of you edit warring. As long as it follow our policies, I have no opinion on specific content. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:56, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Spasage: As long you don't remove the properly cited material I have no issue. I have re-added a passage that you removed earlier today. --Saqib (talk) 17:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Saqib: How many times you want to write this statement. Line "In 2015, Washington Post called Mir as "Pakistan's most famous TV journalist who lives like a fugitive".[4]" appears twice. First in 3rd paragraph and 2nd time from where I removed. User Saqib, you have to be careful when you do undo. And remember, you are not the only guardian of Wikipedia, others are also trying to improve articles. @NeilN: --Spasage (talk) 17:13, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

You need to understand that lead section serve as summary of article's most important contents. --Saqib (talk) 17:19, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what is your way of writing articles. It is not an important point that it is repeated. I want to undo your edit. It seems like you do not want to improve quality of this article and keep it a praise for Hamid Mir instead of article about him. @NeilN: any input on this. User is defensive of changes, but making no effort to improve it. --Spasage (talk) 18:20, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Spasage: From MOS:INTRO: "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article. The reason for a topic's noteworthiness should be established, or at least introduced, in the lead (but not by using subjective "peacock terms" such as "acclaimed" or "award-winning" or "hit")". Editors need to decide if the WashPo quote is important enough for the lead. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:28, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Mention it once, not twice. This is not award, just a comment by WashPo journalist. So, its a statement from one journalist to another. As whole, we should tone down language in this article. It is more praise then wiki article. --Spasage (talk) 18:39, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

WP:LEAD states that "the lead should be written in a clear, accessible style with a neutral point of view." It also states that "consideration should be given to creating interest in the article, but do not hint at startling facts without describing them." So the ambiguous wordings such as "lives like a fugitive" shouldn't be in the lead unless we clearly describe their context. In case of Mir, practically whole of that article describes the reasons for "living like a fugitive" in great detail, and such details – even in condensed form – are suitable only in the article body, but not in the lead. In short, the sentence in question should be removed from the lead. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I am removing it. --Spasage (talk) 21:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Spasage: I have re-inserted some of the legitimate material which shouldn't have been deleted in the first place. --Saqib (talk) 06:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

First, you should discuss before making changes. Now lets discuss your changes:

• " His popularity increased as Geo became one of the popular TV channel in Pakistan where Pakistani politicians, both from the ruling and and oppositions parties appeared to debate on current events and controversial topics." Where are stats proof two claims, a- his popularity increased b- Geo became one of the popular TV. It is POV. it should be removed
• You removed " .. Claims were never verified independently. .. " This claim was bombs etc, was never verified by anyone else. It is just a claim. It is important to clarify this. If you read paragraph, it is very serious claim.
• ".... Influence of ISI in Pakistani .. " Where did you get this from. Threat, I understand, but rest of it is not referenced.
• " .. several death threats and at least two assassination attempts due .. " Again no reference. Just statement for sake of it.

As I said many times before, user Saqib, if you know how wiki articles are written, it is badly written article. I spent a lot of time in cleaning it. So, I suggestion to improve it and stop reverting my edits. If I do not get satisfactory reply, I am reverting your edits. --Spasage (talk) 14:34, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Spasage: You need to get yourself acquainted with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines instead of lambasting me. Policies says the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth which means any material added to Wikipedia must have been published previously by a reliable source. Having said that you can not delete material which you believe to be untrue. We have a credible source "Washington Post" which backup the claim His popularity increased as Geo became one of the popular TV channel in Pakistan. And therefore this is going to stay here. You must not take side, but should explain the sides, fairly and without bias. If you still think this point is biased then you need to be aware that our NPOV policy does not forbid bias if it is properly sourced. As per WP:OR, you can not add statements like Claims were never verified independently. without citing inline citations. Concerning your third and fourth point, why don't you take a moment to carefully read the cited sources before coming to conclusion that there is no source. And if you still have doubts, I recommend you to get third opinion.

On a side note, I suggest you to not educate me, as you have repeatedly above, on how articles should be written. No one including you, no matter how skilled or how senior, has the right to act as though they are the owner of a particular page. I'm not newbie here so do not assume that my contributions are damaging the project. --Saqib (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I can see, you want to drag your feet. This is badly written article which needs improvement. Popular is matter of stats not the reference to any article. You did not answer 2nd two points. I do not see any effort from your side to improve this article. It looks like a Resume not article about a person. It is very obvious. --Spasage (talk) 18:50, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

June 2021

Articles to be updated

• Hamid Mir
• Faiz Hameed
• Draft:Aroosa Alam
• Akleem Akhtar (General Rani)

Bookku (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Quaid Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnha

Life 37.111.139.98 (talk) 04:59, 9 June 2022 (UTC)