Talk:Hadith of the Event of the Cloak

Feel free to change the layout, but please dont delete any material :)

--Striver 11:35, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a forum for arguments and counter-arguments and countercounterarguments, thinly veiled by being written in the third-person. What this article should contain is a summary of the event, of the principal sources supporting it, and of its importance in Shia theology, not a debate. - Mustafaa 13:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, ill try to edit to you satisfaction

Peace!

--Striver 13:51, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Ill add this later:

Wilfred Madelung makes the following observation on the verse of purification: "Who are the 'people of the house' here? The pronoun referring to them is in the masculine plural, while the preceding part of the verse is in the feminine plural. This change of gender has evidently contributed to the birth of various accounts of a legendary character, attaching the latter part of the verse to the five People of the Mantle (ahl al-kisā'): Muhammad, 'Ali, Fātima, Hasan and Husayn. In spite of the obvious Shí'ite significance, the great majority of the reports quoted by al-Tabari in his commentary on this verse support this interpretation." Madelung, The Succession to Muhammad, p. 14-15.[1] --Striver 06:44, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Why would you present this as a page considering "both sides" if your view and coverage of the Sunni perspective is so tainted. Don't argue this point, just read some of your writings, and you'll understand. I feel sorry for you for misrepresenting 90+% of this Ummah.

Bro,i do my best, and i hope to be swiftly corrected where i happen to unintentionaly missrepresent the Sunnis. Not representing them at all is worse than having them temporarily missrepresented in the begining.--Striver 20:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

According to Sunni Hadeeth collections

"According to the Sunni Hadith Collections, it is narrated that an Arab Christian envoy from Jizan (currently in North of Yemen and partly in Saudi Arabia) came to the Prophet to argue to which is the true religion. The prophet offered to them to do the Arabic Tradition known to those Arab Christians as Mubahala, that is that each conflicting party should cover themselves with a cover and together all parties ask God sincerely to destroy and inflict with curses and diseases on the liar party and even their families. The Prophet, as proof of his prophethood, brought Ali, his daughter Fatima and his grand children Hassan ibn Ali and Husayn ibn Ali, and came back to the Christians, saying this is my family (Ahl). He then covered himself and family with a cloak, and started the tradition of Mubahala."

Which collections, which hadeeth numbers. How can we tell if this is just quoting some da'if or munqir ahadeeth? The only hadeeth brought from Sunni collections so far was the Sahih in regards to covering them up, but this says (a) collections and (b) it expands on what the Sahih hadeeth says.

--xx-Mohammad Mufti-xx 19:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

if you refer to the tafseer of at-tabaree you will see that he quotes a number of reports where one of the wives asks if she is a part of it and the reply is no, but if you read further some other reports are also mentioned where the answer is yes. but then again we would require reliable sources plus the relevant tasheeh made of the specific narrations for it to be a suitable inclusion ITAQALLAH 21:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

sunni POV

one may wish to add this narration also from al-bukhaari which can be used in the sunni view section here and on the ahl al-bayt article which states the following:

006.060.316 Narrated Anas:

A banquet of bread and meat was held on the occasion of the marriage of the Prophet to Zainab bint Jahsh. I was sent to invite the people (to the banquet), and so the people started coming (in groups); They would eat and then leave. Another batch would come, eat and leave. So I kept on inviting the people till I found nobody to invite. Then I said, "O Allah's Prophet! I do not find anybody to invite." He said, "Carry away the remaining food." Then a batch of three persons stayed in the house chatting. The Prophet left and went towards the dwelling place of Aisha and said, "Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you, O the people of the house!" She replied, "Peace and the mercy of Allah be on you too. How did you find your wife? May Allah bless you." Then he went to the dwelling places of all his other wives and said to them the same as he said to Aisha and they said to him the same as Aisha had said to him. Then the Prophet returned and found a group of three persons still in the house chatting. The Prophet was a very shy person, so he went out (for the second time) and went towards the dwelling place of 'Aisha. I do not remember whether I informed him that the people have gone away. So he returned and as soon as he entered the gate, he drew the curtain between me and him, and then the Verse of Al-Hijab was revealed.

- ITAQALLAH 21:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I already added that hadith but I had only mentioned Al'Nisai. But now that it's been brought to light, I've also added reference to the Sahih Bukhari narration (which I didn't know about before so JazakAllah)--xx-Mohammad Mufti-xx 21:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

also a problem in this and many other shi'te-sunni/POV fork articles is that there are too many "counter-arguments" and counters of counters etc, in that one opinion will be given and then the opposing opinion will be expressed as a counter which clearly tilts the balance. ITAQALLAH 22:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)