Talk:Gujarati people

Majority of Gujarati enjoy veg food

Most Gujaratis from higher caste percieve traditions, customs and life style from their own caste as that of Gujaratis at large. Unfortuntly this higher caste represent Gujarat among non-Gujaratis and hence there are many missconceptions about Gujaratis. The majority of Gujaratis are vegetarian, however only a minority consume meat in Gujarat. This is due to spread of Jainism in Gujarat. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dcpatel (talk • contribs) 18:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Patidars (or at least a part of them) do eat meat and fish. BernardM 19:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I can agree, however most Lohana Kshatriyas and other castes are veg. --92.8.202.26 (talk) 20:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

it can not happen because most if them only are hindus and hindus don't like non veg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.64.14.74 (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Very poor information on the origin

After reading this article, I have no clue who Gujaratis are. I am left more confused than before. The changes made to the origins were well deserved. It feels as if the Gujaratis dropped out of thin air. In comparison, the article for Marathas has some more detailed information. Eventually, the origin must be elaborated. It is serving no purpose.

Also, shouldn't there be some reference to the tribes, the clans, the rulers, etc. of Gujarat? Manasl 12:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

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I completely agree, never heard of Gujarati before, came here to find out, and best I can make out it's a category of Indians that have a language in common but no associated location? So an Nth generation descendant of Gujarati living in another country no longer speaking that language can't really be said to be Gujarati anymore?

First question that should be answered for someone coming to the page is "what defines membership in this group?"

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Regarding Origins

The entire section on the Origins of Gujaratis need to be redone. The following para which is currently present is blatantly POV.

"Some scholars hold that "Gujar" or "Gujjar" is the Indic term for Khazar. Khazars (or "Gujjars") are reputed to have invaded historic north western India (the former Indus Valley region) — what is now Gujarat and Punjab (in northwestern India and Pakistan). This region was the first to host Aryan-speaking peoples, and their descendants remain in the area. Other scholars connect the name etymologically to "Gurjiya", the Persian name for Georgia, asserting that they were a Georgian contingent affiliated with the Hephthalites who invaded India and settled in Gujarat by 600 CE. Gujarati language has been adopted by communities such as the Parsis who have made the Gujarat region of the Indian subcontinent their home."

Here are the issues with the above para :

1. Starts with "Some scholars ..." - issues : Which scholars? What kind of Scholars? 2. Attributing Khazars as Gurjars - issues : Blatant attempt on re-writing history! 3. Other scholars connect the name etymologically to "Gurjiya" then lead to the Persian name for Georgia - hinting that the Gujaratis are Georgians. - issues : Which scholars again? Further is etymology is an art and not a science! So it cannot be cited as definitive!!!! Third another blatant attempt on re-writing history...

As a Gujarati myself, I take offense that my own history is being re-written! I protest it !!! As such I am removing the content for the origins.

USER:abhijna

there is definetly something wrong with this section. references would be nice...i dont want to delete the information, but it does seem quite iffy! Pirus 03:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

sigh, based on what this discussion page says, the edit page has got to get the axe. Pirus 05:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Definition of Gujarati

There can be two types of Gujarati: 1. Citizen of State of Gujarat in India. No matter what language they speak. 2. People who speak Gujarati as their native tougue.

This page should be primary to identify second category. Chirags 18:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

There is a distiniction between people whose native tongue is gujarati and people who are ethnically gujarati. Are the parsis gujarati or persian ?

Parsis living within rajasthan can be considered Gujaratis. Further, their language has been heavily influenced by the Gujarati language.

65.93.206.241 19:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, however Sindhi speaking and other migrants into the area may consider themselves Gujarati. The article should distinguish between migrants and speakers of the language. --92.8.202.26 (talk) 20:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The list of Gujarati people on this list has grown to be immensely large; is this necessary? Should we have an article similar to this List of people from Gujarat?

I agree that the list is way too extensive to be kept in this article. Having it as a seperate article could be a good idea. However, I think a "List of Gujaratis" article would become quickly populated with red links. See List of Pashtuns as an example of this. Then again, it would keep this article clean and tidy. Thoughts, anyone? --Yenemus 19:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Gujarati People and Location

Gujarat State in India, is a relatively newer creation compared with Gujarati language, or Identity of Gujarat as a region. Chirags 18:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Gujarati people and India

Gujarati did origiate with undivided India or rather Indian Subcontinent. To claim them as part of India only would not be right. Chirags 22:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

L.K Advani is not a Gujarati,he is a Sindhi.mahawiki 12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Who is Umang Seth, Industrialist. Which Industry does he belong to?

I could not found any Billionaire by name Ravi chavda and similarly there was no record to suggest there was underworld godfather names jay chavda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.123.250 (talk) 11:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

-Someone needs to get some pictures of famous Gujaratis to put on the box like they did with the Punjabis, Persians and Pathans. There are tons of guys out there: Gandhi, Sardar Patel, even Jinnah. -User: Afghan Historian

I have added a picture

Original picture was unsourced. Put up a new image, with source information and caption. --Yenemus 12:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Photo

I added the photo with Gandhi, Jinnah, Patel, and Freddie Mercury. Some people may not include Jinnah or Mercury as people because of strict definitions, but I based my decision off of the premise that this isn't a fixed ethnicity and highly syncretic therefore Parsis and other "foreign" subgroups who all speak the language or have connections to Gujarat are include.

Please respond and edit freely, but I still think my addition is cool =P.

Regardless of however "non-fixed" or "syncretic" the Gujarati people as a group might be considered, it doesn't change the fact that Parsis are definitely not Gujaratis. Of course, they've lived in Gujarati and speak Gujarati, but they just aren't a part of the "Gujarati peoples". Please remove Freddie Mercury. Tuncrypt 14:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

1. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the image change, please don't simply remove the new version. At the very least you should have replaced the original image.
2. It's not clear that you're right; you haven't made a case for Parsis not to be included. The article itself defines its subjects as "traditionally Gujarati speaking peoples who can trace their ancestry to the Gujarat region in India"; you accept that they're Gujurati-speaking, so your point presumably rests upon their not being able to trace their ancestry to Gujurat. Parsis have been in Gujurat for about a millenium... If that's not enough, what is? Does anyone count as Gujurati? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Parsis trace their ancestry to Persia. While over the very long time of 1000 years they have assimilated linguistically and culturally, they have stuck to intermarrying and retained their unique religion, and through this, and by self-definition, they remain a separate "peoples". I'm not an expert on the Gujarati people, but I think that Parsis being separate is a fact of utmost simplicity. Basically it would be like saying that the Welsh people are English... something like that. Tuncrypt 12:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

No, it wouldn't be like that; it would be more like denying that the English should be included as "British People" because they trace their ancestry back to Normans, Vikings, Romans, etc. Where did the rest of the inhabitants of Gujurat come from?

If you admit linguistic and cultural assimilation over 1,000 years, then I don't see that there are good grounds for denying that they're Gujuratis. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 17:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The grounds for denying that Parsis are apart from Gujaratis are ethnic. Gujaratis are of Indo-Aryan lineage and Parsis are Iranic, and this division has persisted through Parsi endogamy. What's more is cultural uniqueness and its preservation (I take back "cultural assimilation"), and most important of all, self-definition as a group unto itself.

The term "Gujarati" is not as general as British. It is not a national umbrella term, whose place would be better suited for "Indian". It is instead analogous to the English people, and the fact that the Welsh or the Scots speak English doesn't make them English people would be the parallel I'm drawing.

Oh yes and also, the man in the picture described himself as "Persian" in interviews. Tuncrypt 17:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I have ended up saying too much. My basic statement, which my initial reply should have been, is: Parsis are a distinct ethno-cultural group apart from the Gujaratis. Tuncrypt 04:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Then the article needs to be rewritten, as it defines the Gujurati people in way that allows the inclusion of Parsis. ("English people", incidentally, isn't an ethnic term either.) --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The English "people" are not just consisted of Anglo-Saxon Germanic people but Brythonic Celtic origins too, in the same way Gujarati is now an ethno-linguistic group that depends on the REGION. All of the people included at least have one Gujarati parent and therefore should be included. And the Parsis are considered Gujarati much in the same way Ashkenazi Jews--who intermarry and behaved much in the same way as Parsis--are to German people.

Let's take a vote on whether the picture accurately describes "Gujarati" as well as any other inclusive ethnicity does. Dvptl 16:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

While the Ashkenazi Jews are seen as German to an extent, they're seen more as Jews than ethnic Germans. The same is true with the Parsis. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 01:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, this silly (and somewhat biased) debate seems to have ended, but I just want to point out some of the flaws or unintentional errors in the arguments thus far. First of all, the Parsis are genetically closer to Gujarati's than they are to Persians. I do not know if this is because the Parsis intermarried and mixed with the local Gujarati populace or whether it is because the Persians of today have considerable Arab and Mongol admixture. But as it stands, Parsis are genetically and morphologically closer to the Gujarati people then they are to the Iranians.

Another point of contention is, if the Indo-Aryans, are considered to be ethnic Gujarati's, and Parsis, an "Iranic" group, then where does that leave the aboriginal population of Gujarat? They were the first arrivals in the region of Gujarat, then followed the Indo-Aryans, and subsequently, the [b]supposed[/b] Iranian Parsi's. Logically, if the Parsis are not considered Gujarati, then this should also hold true for the Aboriginal inhabitants of Gujarat, yet, I have not seen a dedicated wiki page or section (on the "Gujarati People" wiki page) on Gujarati Aboriginal's. And yes, the Aboriginal Gujarati's are genetically distinct from the Indo-Aryan Gujarati people.

Rather then having based the contents of the article on a rudimentary and flawed voting system, perhaps the actual facts should have been taken into account. Gregjackson112 (talk) 19:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Why Haplorrhini

Why are Gujarati's related to the Haplorrhini/snub nosed monkey? Is this right? Maybe something to do with mythology? Or is it vandalism?

V. interested. msp4realmf 16:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It was most likely vandalism. Has since been removed. --Yenemus 19:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Gujaratis are Haplorrhini, but so are all other humans (and haplorrhini aren't an ethnic group so its irrelevant anyway) Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 06:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Population distribution - misleading/incorrect/unsourced

The header table on population of Gujarati's is simply incorrect, and should be corrected from reliable sources, or meantime, removed. Where do those numbers come from - come on editors, no citation, delete!.

It is inconceivable that there are more Gujaratis in Tanzania and Uganda than Kenya, and that the substantial populations in USA (similar magnitude to UK), Australia, Canada are not listed. The numbers given for Uganda are so clearly wrong one wonders how they were dreamt up - for example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Indians_in_Uganda_in_1972 to see that the total of ALL Indians expelled then was 50,000 and presumably numbers was zero after that (yes, there has been some measure of return, but 250,000?)

The 300,000 number for UK Gujeratis seems to be perhaps a factor of 3 too low - even a casual check for data supports this: Gujarati is the fourth most spoken language in London schools (cf http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/multilingual/gujarati.shtml) and about 400,000 speak only Gujarati according to the health survey, (cf http://www.cilt.org.uk/faqs/langspoken.htm), which also notes that 55% list English as their main language; given Gujeratis speak English more often than other Indian communities, that indicates around 900,000 is not unreasonable minimum.

The point is not to simply boost the reported number of Gujarati speakers, but to highlight that the numbers shown (and onwards quoted across the web as being from 'Wikipedia') are simply wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.195.215.122 (talk) 23:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When did Irfan Pathan become Gujurati?

Isn't he Pashtun? Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 06:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I highly doubt that. More like a convert to Islam with an adopted surname. First off Pashtuns dont have the last name Pathan. Second he doesnt looks, act or is considered to be a Pashtun who are only found in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Three, lets not forget that he has been harassed by real Pashtuns and been told to change his last name which many Pashtuns find insulting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.164.238 (talk) 08:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, he was born and raised in Gujarat and speaks Gujarati. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I was born and raised in Australia and that doesn't make me an aboriginal. 121.222.62.91 (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the above was me. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 00:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Does make you an Australian. :) I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 01:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but it doesn't have anything to do with my ethnicity (I am not an ethnic Australian - since there are none - the closest thing are the aborigines, which I assume this article on Gujaratis is about. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 01:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I dont think is article is specifically about ethnic groups. Its more like a linguistic group. Think of it more on the lines of German or Italian people. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 02:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

And Germans and Italians aren't ethnic groups? Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 10:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Mention in history

Neutrality dispute

"This paragraph seems to be a personal opinion of the writer and NOT worthy of being included in an encyclopedia. The writer has provided a reference - however the reference (at least whatever is available on the internet) does not mention anything that the writer has mentioned here. If the writer is not able to provide conclusive evidence of this, this paragraph should be removed."

This was written by "Goldeneye977." I removed it from the actual article page, and placed it here, in the "Discussion" section. This is where it belongs. Gregjackson112 (talk) 07:17, 23 August 2010

Please see the reference I have provided link for doubting Thomases. Thanks Gregjackson112 for putting it under discussion page.--Indian Chronicles (talk) 11:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Stop editing the "Gujarati People" article with unsubstantiated text!

To the user "Flobot" cease inserting "Gujaratis are descended from Gujjar People" and "In terms of ancestry, Gujaratis are descended from Gujjar People" in various sections of the article. Your edits are completely out of place and the sentence structure that you have used is rather juvenile. Furthermore, there is no backing to your claim about the "Gujjar People"; you have not made any citations. Your claims about the Gujjars being the ancestors of modern day Gujarati's are dubious to say the least. Such insertions put a question mark on the articles validity, and as such, I have removed them. Do not undo my edits again, and do not edit the article with the same hogwash! You have not responded to my message, and have deleted it from your talk page. I have tried to reason with you, but you know what you are doing here. Be prepared to face the consequences of your actions. Gregjackson112 (talk) 22:44, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with user Gregjackson112. Check out the Gujjar page. There is very little similarities between Gujjars and Gujaratis. The claim that Gujaratis are descended from Gujjar People is a fringe theory per WP:FRINGE and is probably based on phonetically sounding similar words.--Indian Chronicles (talk) 04:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Neutrality

I believe the neutrality of the article is seriously questionable, and the author(s)'s biases are prominent in many places. E.g., "Its equally high frequency as well as diversity in Gujarat favors a scenario whereby U7 has been introduced by the coastal Gujarat to the uncultured areas of Iran." in the Genetics section. Another statement from the same sections goes, "It is to be noted that very sophisticated civilisations were existing in Gujarat before it touched the shores of Iran. Dwarkapuri, the recently excavated capital city of Krishna is a primary example." The reference cited to support this statement (read: Reference link) is in an academic paper studying the mtDNA of Indian/Iranian samples to understand populating of Eurasia. This paper is in no way indicative of any of the two statements, especially of the claims of an uncultured Iran.

Another statement from the Mention in history section, "...and opined that Gujaratis were deprived of their kingdom by Muslims because of their kind heartedness." claims something that is once again not entirely supported by the reference (read: Reference). Also, it seems the section's sole purpose is this statement.

In general, this article needs a cleanup AND better referencing for sure. --Tt801 (talk) 22:39, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

• • • • • • • • • • There is a conflict i found about the ethencity of Mohammer ali Jinnah. if we check article about Muslim Rajputs,he is described as Rajput but in Gujrati people article he is reffered as a Gujrati.Wiki Team need to fix this issue.********** — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.169.182 (talk) 06:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Murabba

I'm asking a question concering another article, Murabba, because I hope the experts would see it here. In that article, the following statements are made:

"Murraba is also made in present day Georgia, but it is made of strawberries and cherries and local fruits. When the Gurjs travelled to India, they adapted the recipe to use the local mango, which became a traditional favorite of the Gujaratis over the years. ..."

As far as I understand, there is no firm evidence that Gujaratis stem from Georgia, and hence the 2nd sentence must be deleted. Could anyone kindly comment on that? --Off-shell (talk) 22:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Ahir Clan

I removed this section from History of Gujarat because it clearly does not belong there. I am not sure where it belongs in this article and therefore I have put it here so that this matter can be discussed for the appropriate place for the material.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Ahir Clan

What is this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.121.118 (talk) 20:09, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Ahir Paratharia

The Ahir Paratharia community is believed to have derived its name from the Parathar region, their original homeland. According to their traditions, they migrated from Mathura along with Lord Krishna to the Parathar region of Saurashtra. The Paratharia then migrated to Kutch about four to five hundred years ago. They are now distributed in eighty-four villages in Kutch District, out of which thirty-four are in Bhuj Taluka, twenty-four in Anjar Taluka and twelve villages in Nakhtrana Taluka. A few are also found in Saurashtra. The Paratharia are a Gujarati speaking community.The Paratharia community consist of a number of clans, the main ones being the Baththa, Gegal, Dheela, Dangar, Changha, Varjun, Matha and Chod. Each of the clans are of equal status and intermarry. Like neighbouring Hindu communities, the community practice clan exogamy. The Paratharia are a community of small and medium sized farmers. Milk selling is an important subsidiary of the community. A small number are now petty businessmen.

Ahir Sorathia

The Sorathia are a sub-group of the Ahir caste found in the state of Gujarat in India. The community is believed to have derived its name from the Sorath region, their original homeland. According to their traditions, they migrated from Mathura along with Lord Krishna.

Sorathia are Yadav. The community spread mainly Saurashtra & Kuttch. They are now found mainly in the Rajkot, Jamnagar, Junagadh, Porbandar,Amreli and Kuttch Districts. The Sorathia speak Saurashtri & Kutchi.The Sorathia community consist of about 450 clans, the main ones being the Bodar, Bhuva, Suva, Luva, Duva, Bariya, Nandaniya, Madam, Lagariya, Chudasama, Kandoriya, Karangiya, Solanki, Bhimbha, zala, Dangar, chandravadiya,Der, Papaniya, Ravaliya, Bhadarka,Bera,Karmur, Gadhe and many more. Each of the clans are of equal status and intermarry.

Ahir Pancholi

The Pancholi are a sub-division of the Ahir caste found in the state of Gujarat in India.

The community is believed to have derived its name from the Panchal region in Saurashtra, their original homeland. According to their traditions, they migrated from Mathura along with Lord Krishna to the Parathar region of Saurashtra. They are distributed over eighteen villages in the Saurashtra region. The community are found mainly in Junagadh, Amreli and Bhavnagar Districts The Pancholi community consist of forty four clans, the main ones being the Kalsaria,kuvad, Kataria, Gujjar,vaghamashi, Dhola, Vania,kachhad,Jhalandra, Nakum,Hadia and Baldania. Each of the clans are of equal status and intermarry. Like neighbouring Hindu communities,

Aahir Machhoya

The Maschoiya are a sub-group of the Ahir caste found in the state of Gujarat in India. The Maschoiya are a community of Ahirs who are said to have settled along the banks of the Machhu-katia river, and the word Maschoiya literally means those from Macchu-katia. According to the traditions of the Maschoiya were originally Soomra Rajputs, and an ancestor left Sindh for Saurashtra, where he married an Ahir girl. His descendents thus became Ahirs.

The Maschoiya Ahir are found mainly in Rajkot District, with a few also found in Junagadh District. They are a Gujarati speaking community. The Maschoiya are divided into a number clans, all of which are of equal status. The main ones being the Gogla,Dangar,chavda, kuvadiya, sonara, chhaiya, boricha, balasara, bakutra, makvana, dav, lavadiya, metra, humbal, khungla, Birda, Meta, Herrla, Kelodia, Kangadh, Khokatara, Shiayar, Unlike other Ahir communities in Gujarat, the Maschoiya practice consanguineous marriage.

Gujarati diaspora in Africa

It is surprising that there is nothing on Gujaratis in Africa considering that the most well known Gujarati, Mahatma Gandhi, began his career, political and otherwise in South Africa serving and fighting for the rights of Indian people there of whom most were from Gujarat.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:41, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The Joshua Project

Joshua Project is not a reliable source, so please cease adding it here, or on any other Wikipedia article. Thanks - LouisAragon (talk) 21:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Questions Related to Article

Should Gujarati refugees in Africa be mentioned?

Why are famous American/British Gujaratis not mentioned?

Snekkirino (talk) 01:50, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@Snekkirino: Re: your question about the American/British Gujaratis, notable American Gujaratis are mentioned. Search for "Famous Gujarati Americans". The Notable people section seems to be ordered by occupation rather than nationality. So it's possible that there are both American and British Gujaratis in that section, only readers have no clear way of identifying their nationalities. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:44, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Gujarati notable people: Freddie Mercury

Farrokh Bulsara ("Freddie Mercury") was a zanzibari singer nationalized british who was son of a family of parsi gujarati diaspora in the actual Tanzania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.130.76.152 (talk) 20:12, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Changed the politicians section to a table

Hi, I have changed the politicians section to a table and added description for each of them based on their WP pages. I am a little short on time and can't go on for all the remaining politicians. I have completed for Indian politicians. I'll work on completing it sometime.. but if someone can continue on it, that would be great. Need to extend the table and add years. Amazingcaptain (talk) 13:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Prominent entrepreneurs and industrialists?

I have no specific knowledge of this subject and just came to this page to find out what Gujarati music was, but I find the text, "Gujaratis are prominent entrepreneurs and industrialists..." to be poorly worded, in addition to being undocumented, apart from a list of "business people". As stated, this represents that ALL Gujarati are prominent entrepreneurs and industrialists. Rsngfrce (talk) 09:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree. It's unsourced, and could be misleading. Unless anyone disagrees, I or someone else can remove it. White227b (talk) 05:03, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Yea its kinda a stereotype that Gujaratis are business minded people. Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

If it's sourced it could perhaps go in the main body of the article? But a "steroetype" doesn't belong in the lead, especially one that isn't mentioned in the rest of the article. White227b (talk) 04:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

1931 colonial 'caste' census chart as the main picture ?

This is weird and embarrassing as a regular ethnic gujarati, no other Indian ethnic group wikipedia article seems to do this. Why not put up some prominent gujarati people instead or even just a map 142.198.113.229 (talk) 22:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Slavery part

"Gujaratis have earned a reputation as being India's greatest merchants, their direct role in slavery and slave trading in East Africa is skillfully occluded in most writing that commemorated the Gujarati mercantile elite,^{[failed verification]} industrialists and business entrepreneurs and have therefore been at forefront of migrations all over the world, particularly to regions that were part of the British Empire such as Fiji, Hong Kong, Malaya, East Africa and South Africa."

The slavery part is biased and potentially dog whistling, given that almost every civilization has slavery and it is not something specific to Gujarati people Factpineapple (talk) 14:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Removed the unsourced statement. Originally added here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gujarati_people&diff=prev&oldid=1078151507 Chariotrider555 (talk) 19:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I got >1000 hits of academic papers on Google scholar with keywords "slave trade" and "Gujarati merchants". Yes, Eurpoean, Arabs, and other blacks have been involved in slave trade too and it is well documented. That being the case, I don't think involvement of Gujarati merchants in this enterprise should be swept under the rug? Equally if one thinks of Parsis as part of wider Gujarati community, then their involvement in the drug trade during early British rule should not be ignored either.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)