Talk:Guillaume Courtet

Dispute

The lead of this article says that Guillaume Courtet is "often described" as the first Frenchman to visit Japan. However, only one source is offered. I would like to see more reliable sources that confirm the "often described" claim, thanks. --Elonka 20:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

You're right, I only have one source handy at this point, so I changed to "has been described". Cheers. PHG (talk) 20:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'd still like more. This is a WP:REDFLAG kind of claim, such that "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources." I've done some Googling, and though it's easy to verify that Courtet was a Frenchman who visited Japan, along with several other priests, I haven't found anything else that verifies the "first Frenchman" claim. The article therefore appears to be violating WP:UNDUE, in that it's putting more weight on the "first" claim, than on the things he's best known for (being a martyr). I would recommend reworking the lead to ensure that you're giving appropriate weight to what he's actually known for.

As an aside, it seems that you're deliberately trying to make articles that are DYK-able. Nothing wrong with that, as long as the articles meet the other policies and guidelines. I recommend looking into the "First Frenchman" to visit Korea, Pierre Philibert Maubant. There seem to be more sources on that, and we don't have an article on him yet. He is unambiguously 19th century, and would make a good DYK topic.  :) --Elonka 21:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

You point seems to be about weight, no about sources, so I would suggest you remove your tag. Also, I only put a very small portion of my articles through DYK... something like 1 in 10 I guess. Cheers. PHG (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

As another note, Maubant is already discussed in a couple other articles, such as the one on Laurent-Marie-Joseph Imbert, another early Frenchman in Asia. I would think that Maubant would be an interesting topic for you, closely aligned with your interest in Christianity in Asia. --Elonka 21:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Poor Citations

This article was tagged for additional references. PHG added two more. It's appreciated. Unfortunately, they are still poorly presented. If possible, please do several important things for the sake of the reader:

1. Please use the citation templates found at WP:CIT 2. Personally, I prefer the Harvard template, but any will do provided that it's consistent. 3. (Most importantly), please remember to include the publisher, the place of publication, the date of publication, and (if possible) the language in which it's published; and if possible 4. A hyper link to Google Books

These things are crucial for (1) the sake of transparency and (2) the reader to verify the accuracy of the citation. Regards, J Readings (talk) 17:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)