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Public domain?

Is this image in the public domain or not? ^8thstar 23:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not in public domain; see the reference by Sarah Levy. — Carl (CBM · talk) 23:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I disagree CBM and have read the full report by Levy. The photo's legal status has never been defined in the U.S. - and thus until it is, it would be in the Public domain under Cuban law which would govern it. I discuss the legality HERE    Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 08:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

ubiquitous redirects to omnipresent

Jon Anderson says on that very same page "eventually becoming the famous poster image that adorned so many college-dorm rooms." That is not the same as ubiquitous, as Anderson is saying that it appealed to a certain age and education group. It's not like the Pople.–Mattisse (Talk) 23:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what a Pople is ?       Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 23:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Also ubiquitous can be used as "everywhere" which an image that gets named the MOST famous Photograph in the world ... would qualify as.       Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 23:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Also nothing redirects to anything, the wiki was removed = by you.       Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 23:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

dubious sentence about public domain

I don't get the sentence "Until the photo receives a definitive legal declaration in a U.S. court, it appears that it will be in the public domain there". If this does go to US court, their decision will not be that the photo has been in public domain up to that point, but will become copyrighted after their decision. Rather, they would find either that it has been public domain and will remain so after their decision, or it has been copyrighted and will remain so. — Carl (CBM · talk) 10:50, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the sentence as I agree it sounded unclear, the way I wrote it last night.    Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 17:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I like the better description of the lawsuit against Reporters Without Borders that you added. — Carl (CBM · talk) 18:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.    Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 17:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no move. JPG-GR (talk) 18:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

If this photo is know as "Guerrillero Heroico"[1], why do we call this article "Che Guevara (photo)"[2]? --Damiens.rf 19:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Per WP:UE, articles should be named after their most common name in English. For such a famous photo, the google search for Guerrillero Heroico brings up precious few references in English. The impressive photo search you cite appears to refer in the main to images on foreign-language pages. Encyclopedia Britannica, Columbia Encyclopedia and Encarta all seem to draw blanks on the term, and Google Scholar's top references are all foreign language. Even allowing for the fact that the proposed title would assist with disambiguation, my limited research suggests it may not be appropriate. Although it proves little, personally I've never heard of the title before, alothough of course I'm familiar with the image. I would have called it "that famous Che Guevara photo" and I can imagine millions of other English-speakers might do the same. If you can demonstrate significant use of this term in reliable English language sources, your case will be stronger. --Rogerb67 (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Also, a Google search for korda che guevara produces many English results, the first few of which (with the exception of the Wikipedia article) simply call it "Korda's famous Che Guevara photo" or similar, without mentioning "Guerillero Heroico". Moved "vote" to oppose. --Rogerb67 (talk) 08:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

  Strong Oppose. As one of the primary editors of the current article, I feel such a move would not only be unnecessary, but possibly counter-productive and confusing to the majority of English speaking readers (who may not understand Spanish & may find the spelling confusing). Furthermore, this article already does come up (redirects) when someone types “Guerrillero Heroico” into the wiki search box and this article is the first result on a google search as well of that term.   Redthoreau (talk) RT 13:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose The photo was entitled Guerrillero Heroico, but it is not generally called that. Of the external links only the two written by Trisha Ziff herself seem to use the title; the others (and they range from the Socialist Worker to the Washington Post) do not. Trisha Ziff is a specialist, and is writing for other specialists; we are not. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.