Talk:Guarded Domains of Iran/GA1
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Nominator: HistoryofIran (talk · contribs) 13:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: That Tired Tarantula (talk · contribs) 16:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi. I'll be reviewing the article over the course of this week. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 16:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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editBroadness and focus
editThe article stays focused, but I'm concerned about its broadness, since it only has a history section; most GAs about nations or societies in the past have sections about their government and culture as well, along with additional sections about different aspects of their societies, so the fact that there's only a history section is a pretty significant issue; furthermore, since this article covers both Safavid Iran and Qajar Iran and the articles for those eras have significant coverage of their governments and cultures, it seems like there's a lot of information about those topics that the article should cover.
Or okay, maybe stuff about the government's not necessary because of there being two different eras that this article covers, but there should definitely be some stuff about the culture and population in the area.
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editUnfortunately, I think I'm going to have to quickfail this GAR because the article needs to be significantly expanded before it is broad enough to become a GA. However, this decision is not final; since I'm newer to the review process, I'm going to contact a more experienced reviewer first for some more input on this review and how the article should be improved. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 00:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi That Tired Tarantula - thanks for choosing to review this article. Respectfully, I did not add stuff like government and culture stuff on purpose. I've only meant to make this article convey information about the concept of the Guarded Domains of Iran. HistoryofIran (talk) 02:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay? Sorry, I'm a little confused. The point of a good article is for that article to provide broad, in-depth coverage of a topic so that readers can learn all the important details about that subject; this article, on the other hand, is lacking some significant areas of information that a reader would probably like to know about. I get how your goal may have been to just present a brief overview of the Guarded Domains of Iran and their history, but that's not going to present enough information to readers for them to be able to get a full understanding of the domains; being concise is good, but a lot more information can be included without the article going off-topic, so it should be added. Unfortunately, I just don't think that there's going to be enough time to add all of it during this GA. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 04:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- But the article does indeed do that. I think adding stuff like culture and government is irrelevant, since thats not part of the topic as in seen in the cited pages who expliticity talk about the concept. If the readers want to read about government and culture, then they can just click on Safavid Iran and the alikes. Also, there exists much shorter GAs than this article. HistoryofIran (talk) 10:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- But there are clearly many sources about the Domains' culture, as seen in the articles about the Savafid and Qajar eras; they're just not in the article right now. Besides, this article frequently describes how the Guarded Domains of Iran had a shared cultural identity (however, it also sort of achieves this through an essay-like tone, so the history section might have to be reorganized a bit, anyways), but it never actually describes that identity . I'm aware how there are a lot of GAs that are shorter, but those still describe multiple different important aspects of the subject they're about. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 17:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but they're not in a context about the Guarded Domains as far as I am aware. Unfortunately, the used citations here does not go into much depth about the identity bit. I could add info about the culture of Iran under the dynasties between 1501-1925 from other sources, but I feel like that is random and unnecessary, more fitting for other articles. If I start adding that bit of info, then it's not much about the concept anymore, but more Iran in general. Also, if I add that, then what's stopping me from adding the history of Iran between 1501-1925 too? Do you have a suggestion on how this could be done without straying too much away from the main topic? HistoryofIran (talk) 22:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't it already describe the history of Iran between 1501-1925? Information about the culture should be added, because this article is already saying how there was a cultural identity forming, but it doesn't actually illustrate much about what that identity was or how it influences Iran now. The main topic is the Guarded Domains of Iran in general, not just its history, so it should have information about different aspects of it. The article doesn't have to go into a ton of detail about those aspects, but it should at least include them. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 23:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was referring to the political history of Iran. I've added some more info about culture/religion [1] [2], is this the type of info you meant? HistoryofIran (talk) 01:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but I'd prefer for it to have its own section. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 07:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also like for it to have more specifc details about the cultural aspects; there could also be a separate section for the legacy of the Domains to document how they influenced present-day Iran. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 07:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was referring to the political history of Iran. I've added some more info about culture/religion [1] [2], is this the type of info you meant? HistoryofIran (talk) 01:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't it already describe the history of Iran between 1501-1925? Information about the culture should be added, because this article is already saying how there was a cultural identity forming, but it doesn't actually illustrate much about what that identity was or how it influences Iran now. The main topic is the Guarded Domains of Iran in general, not just its history, so it should have information about different aspects of it. The article doesn't have to go into a ton of detail about those aspects, but it should at least include them. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 23:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but they're not in a context about the Guarded Domains as far as I am aware. Unfortunately, the used citations here does not go into much depth about the identity bit. I could add info about the culture of Iran under the dynasties between 1501-1925 from other sources, but I feel like that is random and unnecessary, more fitting for other articles. If I start adding that bit of info, then it's not much about the concept anymore, but more Iran in general. Also, if I add that, then what's stopping me from adding the history of Iran between 1501-1925 too? Do you have a suggestion on how this could be done without straying too much away from the main topic? HistoryofIran (talk) 22:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- But there are clearly many sources about the Domains' culture, as seen in the articles about the Savafid and Qajar eras; they're just not in the article right now. Besides, this article frequently describes how the Guarded Domains of Iran had a shared cultural identity (however, it also sort of achieves this through an essay-like tone, so the history section might have to be reorganized a bit, anyways), but it never actually describes that identity . I'm aware how there are a lot of GAs that are shorter, but those still describe multiple different important aspects of the subject they're about. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 17:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- But the article does indeed do that. I think adding stuff like culture and government is irrelevant, since thats not part of the topic as in seen in the cited pages who expliticity talk about the concept. If the readers want to read about government and culture, then they can just click on Safavid Iran and the alikes. Also, there exists much shorter GAs than this article. HistoryofIran (talk) 10:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay? Sorry, I'm a little confused. The point of a good article is for that article to provide broad, in-depth coverage of a topic so that readers can learn all the important details about that subject; this article, on the other hand, is lacking some significant areas of information that a reader would probably like to know about. I get how your goal may have been to just present a brief overview of the Guarded Domains of Iran and their history, but that's not going to present enough information to readers for them to be able to get a full understanding of the domains; being concise is good, but a lot more information can be included without the article going off-topic, so it should be added. Unfortunately, I just don't think that there's going to be enough time to add all of it during this GA. That Tired TarantulaBurrow 04:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)