Talk:Guangzhou–Zhuhai intercity railway

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Is it appropriate to hide the closed sections of the main line? Normally these can be shown, but indicating that they are either closed (in the case of Cuiheng) or under construction (in the case of Tangjiawan-Zhuhai Main-Zhuhai Airport). How can we proceed with this? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 01:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Is this a mass rapid transit line?

I think it is not. The Chinese version of this article (zh:广珠城际铁路) reads:

廣珠城軌为客运专线，不設貨運业务。经常会被错误地称为“广珠轻轨”，这是由于媒体缺乏相关专业知识导致的错误宣传。实际上广珠城轨为城际客运系统，与属于市内公交系统的轻轨有本质的区别，其本质属于客运专线及高速铁路范畴。建成通车后，列車暫時使用CRH1A電力動車組（2010年增購車）担当，遠期則會改為使用CRH6電力動車組（包括200km/h版本運營直達列車和160km/h版本運營站站停通勤列車）。廣州南至珠海直達旅行需時41分鐘，各站停車為57分鐘；廣州南至新会直達车需時28分鐘，各站停車為53分鐘。(emphasis added. --EDs)

Literally, it says this is just an intercity mainline railway which is dedicated to passenger transportation, not a MRT line.

Its rolling stock is CRH1, which is typical mainline rolling stock. Overall, it is similar to Beijing–Tianjin_Intercity_Railway.

I propose to change the title of this article (change it to Guangzhou–Zhuhai Intercity Railway) and remove it from the list of Rapid transit in the People's Republic of China.

If no opposition expressed, I will make the change in a few days.

Add an official news report (in Chinese) clarifying the name confusion surrounding this line. 广珠城际铁路 不是“轻轨” --Howchou (talk) 03:26, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Surprisingly enough, people in Zhuhai call the Guangzhu MRT the "轻轨" even when all the signs leading up to Zhuhai North station say "城轨". --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 23:27, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

That's totally understandable. You know in Shanghai and Beijing people still call some heavy rail metro lines (MRT) as Qinggui (Line 3 for SH, 13 for BJ), light rail lines (LRT). Due to the misuse of names at the planning stage and unprofessionalism of some local journalist, that misuse was kept in a lot of the mainland cities, including Zhuhai. Whatever the local people call them, though, Guangzhu Chenggui is an intercity passenger dedicated mainline service, not a mass rapid transit in any sense. Hope Zhuhai would be connected to Macau sometime later by a real MRT line, as Shenzhen was with HK. Howchou (talk) 01:37, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

The plans call for an interchange in Hengqin with the Macau LRT, so a direct connection via CRH will not happen with the current configuration of the project (that also goes for stations, since Zhuhai Main will be adjacent to the Gongbei Port of Entry, not opposite it in any way that implies the line can go straight to Macau). In any case, however, that means all the stations will have to be moved to the nomenclature used for mainline China Railways stations, which is not uniformly applied at the moment

Then again, the fact that this is elevated has something to do with it: in China, as is the case for much of Asia (Kuala Lumpur and Manila come to mind on this), any train that's elevated is called "轻轨". For example, the Wuhan Metro is colloquially called light rail even though it's actually an elevated metro. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 20:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, I mean I hope that one day you can take metros from both sides of the border, like you can take the East Rail to Lo Wu from Hong Kong, walk across the border and take the Shenzhen Metro at Luo Hu. It doesn't matter if there is no actual rail link between Macau and Zhuhai.

Besides, I get the point that the colloquial Chinese is messing up the original meaning of Qinggui. I am not a formalist on language issues, so I think that's cool as long as you know what it actually is. Since it is quite clear where the line between a metro (MRT) and a light rail (LRT) is in English, I say let's stick to the line at least for English Wikipedia. Maybe sometime later Qinggui would comprehend all elevated railways in Chinese, there is still a significant difference between an elevated commuter rail and an elevated metro line in this case. Just like most Chinese thought 'dumpling' meant Jiaozi, but it turns out it could also mean Baozi, Guotie, etc. Not quite sure how local people in Southeast Asia call elevated metro though. I guess you can only see that in Thailand. Guess the one Malaysia is a Monorail, which would be Dangui in Chinese (though Chongqing locals also call their monorail a Qinggui sometime).

The real problem with naming rail transit in Chinese is its confusion between different types. For now I guess a layperson would call any railway that runs underground is a Ditie, and anything elevated a Qinggui. Though officially Ditie could also mean Metro, and Qinggui Light Rail (which is also its literal meaning). I hope mainland could adopt the Taiwanese way of naming to end the confusion, just call all those rail transit Jieyun instead. ––Howchou (talk) 00:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, the mainland Chinese still call everything (metro, LRT and the like) 轨道交通 (guidao jiaotong) officially, and 地铁, 轻轨, 城轨 and the like just come colloquially (or are adopted by the operating companies, such as the Beijing Subway using 地铁 officially), with the exception of lines such as this one, where 城轨 is signed on road signs and the like. 捷运 is a term which, while perhaps understood even by mainland Chinese, is only in common use in Taiwan: for example, even Hong Kong uses 地铁 to refer to the MTR in Chinese, even though it's contracted to 港铁. As for the rest of Southeast Asia: the system in Kuala Lumpur is named "light rail" (RapidKL Light Rail Transit) even though the lines are built as medium-capacity full metro lines, and the system in Manila is also named as such (Manila Light Rail Transit System) even though one line is built to full metro specifications and the other line has narrow-profile full metro cars running through it.

Also, as far as I know, there are no plans for a metro in Zhuhai: while the city is rich enough to afford one, the population is too small and too spread out to justify for the construction of one. This line, along with the separate Guangzhou-Zhuhai Railway, will form the basis of any future railway network in Zhuhai, rapid transit or not, hence why there's a connection in Hengqin with the future Macau LRT in the same way the Shenzhen Metro and the MTR connect at Lo Wu/Luohu. The alignment of the Zhuhai Main-Zhuhai Airport segment partially runs parallel to the border with Macau, which should allow for such interconnections to take place.

Now, to more pressing issues: shall all the station articles be moved to names similar to other Chinese mainline rail stations? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 14:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by "similar to other mainline rail stations"? adding "railway" to all the names? nah, I think Guangzhu's station names are fine. ––Howchou (talk) 04:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

All other high-speed lines operated by CRH use "xxx Railway Station" in their station names, except this one, so for the sake of uniformity I was suggesting we move them all to that format. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 09:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

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