Talk:Grilling/Archive 2

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Archive 2

South America is missing

And therefore countries with long and unique traditions of grilling like Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil are left out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poiuy998 (talk • contribs) 13:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge Grilling and Broiling

They are different names for the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.68.225 (talk) 09:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I respectfully Disagree - Whil;e both are considered dry heat cooking methods, broiling has the heat source above the product, grilling places the heat source below the product as in an outdoor grill. Sbhoward (talk) 19:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

That depends on how you define grilling. The lead sentence of the article makes this perfectly clear. The articles were merged until very recently and should probably be remerged - there was iirc discussion before the merger but none afaik before the articles were unmerged. -- Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

They are separate types of cooking, and the names often have different meanings in different parts of the world. Best to keep them separate. rootology (C)(T) 22:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

There appears to be some misunderstanding occurring here. Grilling is the overall term for dry cooking with radiant heat regardless of the location for the heat source. Broiling is an American term for one aspect of grilling. Our guidance for redirects and merges indicates that broiling should be a redirect to a section within grilling in which it is explained that broiling is a regional term for one aspect of grilling. SilkTork *^YES! 07:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with SilkTork; grilling is a general term for dry direct-heat cooking that is used in slightly different ways around the world, often encompassing only one type of grilling. Someone in the UK, for instance, could be confused by the fact that the "Grilling" article contained info mainly relating to what we refer to as barbecuing, and very little on what we consider to be "grilling" ("broiling" in the US). Merging the articles was probably the appropriate thing to do to reflect this, although I do think it could do with some cleanup as it's a bit unwieldy right now. I've got this on my watchlist and may attempt to do so when I've got less going on in my life (unless someone gets there before me!). missdipsy (talk) 12:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

It's very confusing for Americans to have "broiling" redirect to "grilling" - in fact it makes just about any american cookbook incomprehensible. Thomas144 (talk) 10:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Trust me, it's just as confusing to have references to broiling for those of us in other parts of the world. Neither is a good reason to have the article as one or the other. As has been discussed above, the most realistic approach is to have grilling, as it's a wider term, as the article title with clear reference to broiling as an alternative term for one type of grilling. Perhaps the article could be clearer on this - the lead paragraph is a little unwieldy as well. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:25, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I think there should be different articles. In the UK, grilling is something you do in an oven like thing, cooking outside is barbequeing and cooking on a hob is frying regardless of any oil applied or not applied. Sweetie candykim (talk) 20:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

The article should point out that outdoor "grilling" is common practice in the UK. It sjut called something different. The implication in the current article sounds like commonweath countries, UK and Ireland do not do use any form of outdoor gril and prefer to grill in an indoor oven instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.149.175.180 (talk) 00:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

George Foreman

What's the reasoning for having the subsection on the Foreman Grill? I understand it's wildly popular, especially culturally, but it doesn't fit here. It's not a TYPE of grilling equipment, it's a specific brand. This isn't the place for advertisements, which is essentially what this is. It should be removed. ~ Amory (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I am with you on this, i was just "WHHAAT?" when i read this section. The George Forman Grill is nothing special, and then concept also ain't new. Its just a brand, nothing more. Otherwise we should definately also get a weber section an so on.. So i'm gonna remove the George Forman Section now.

If somebody wants to put it back, please give some good reasons here before you do it, because i see not a single reason for it to be there... --95.88.230.190 (talk) 10:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Salamander slander

Salamander redirects here, via a dab page. I noted the gas and electric version, but the term derives from a older device. The name seems more appropriate for the latter, the only similarity being the overhead heat. This is from wiktionary:salamander:

1. (cooking) A metal utensil with a flat head which is heated and put over a dish to brown the top.

1977: The salamander, a fairly long metal utensil with a flat rounded head, was left in the fire until red hot and then used to brown the top of a dish without further cooking. — Richard Daunton-Fear and Penelope Vigar, Australian Colonial Cookery, Rigby, 1977, ISBN 0-7270-0187-6, page 41 (discussing 19th century cookery)

1. A culinary utensil of metal with a plate or disk which is heated, and held over pastry, etc., to brown it. Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [1]
2. Originally a reptile inhabiting fire; later, an anthropomorphous immortal, but still a pyrophile. Bitter Bierce

The modern version is the fire, the food we put in is now the salamander. Yuck!—I refuse to edit this article. cygnis insignis 05:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Salamander grill correctly redirects to the appropriate section. I have clarified the older kind of salamander in the article. --macrakis (talk) 14:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The device described in the "salamander" section of this page appears to be what, when mounted at head-height in the UK, is referred to as an eye-level grill. My parents, both trained caterers, recognised the term "salamander" as being a commercial-kitchen version of such a grill. Cookers here often include an oven at the bottom, hob at counter-top height, and a back supporting a top-heating grill at eye level. (I think eye-level grills are less common than they used to be; low-level or in-oven grills seem to be getting more common.) I'm not sure where to add a mention of this or how to word it so I'll leave it for someone else to do. Or me another day. —Pippin (talk) 18:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

a new section is needed

a new section should be added to this article,and it should take a bout the medical view for this subject ,for example(health benfites from grilling food,or health concerns. it also shoild be mentioned if grilling food preduce chemical complicated products.

Carcinogen section really needed?

If you follow one of the links to cancer.gov, it says

"Studies have shown that exposure to HCAs and PAHs can cause cancer in animal models (6). In many experiments, rodents fed a diet supplemented with HCAs developed tumors of the breast, colon, liver, skin, lung, prostate, and other organs (7–12). Rodents fed PAHs also developed cancers, including leukemia and tumors of the gastrointestinal tract and lungs (13). However, the doses of HCAs and PAHs used in these studies were very high—equivalent to thousands of times the doses that a person would consume in a normal diet."

Oh, only thousands of times? Is that it? Remember when scientists proved that rats could develop cancer when they ingested too much saccharin? Yeah, thousands of times the dosage a normal person would take.

Guess what - when you fly a plane over the US, you're subjected to some radiation. I bet if you were subjected to thousands and thousands of that amount all at once, you'd develop cancer.

I say take the part about carcinogens out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.44.3 (talk) 14:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

First sentence not entirely accurate

I'm not sure if this has come up before but the first 2 sentences ("Grilling is a form of cooking that involves dry heat applied to the surface of food, commonly from above or below (as in North America). It is sometimes incorrectly referred to as barbecuing which is a slow cooking technique") are not correct for many countries in the world - eg. Australia or New Zealand would not be Incorrect if they used the terminology "barbecuing" as a synonym for grilling. I'm not sure what the best way to reflect this difference is, but I don't think it's correct in its current form.192.31.37.2 (talk) 01:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• People use "barbecuing" as slang for grilling in a lot of country, but that doesn't make it accurate. In general English use, grilling is somewhat fast cooking with higher heat, barbecuing is slower cooking with lower heat, even if people use the words improperly at times. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Where did the PCA acronym come from?

It has no introduction.

Radiant energy or direct conduction?

The article states that direct conduction is the method of heat transfer for a grill pan, however, there is no cited source. Ppetrel (talk) 06:23, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

A person can be a grill? Really?

"One famous example of a vertical grill still in use is the purported inventor of the hamburger, Louis' Lunch,[citation needed] in New Haven, CT."

It seems that "Louis' Lunch" is the name of a food outlet, not a person. A food outlet cannot be an inventor. http://www.louislunch.com/

There's nothing in the "History" section of that site that claims that they invented the vertical grill; rather they claim that their founder invented the Hamburger Steak. That is a claim that I doubt.

I propose to delete this statement if nobody else fixes it, or comes here with a clarification.

[User:MrDemeanour|MrDemeanour]] (talk) 14:31, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

...and I removed it. MrDemeanour (talk) 08:53, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Benefits (removal of section from article)

Grilled foods can be lower in saturated fat if the fat is allowed to drip out after it liquefies.

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Without a reliable source to support this claim, I'm deleting it from the article. A study exists related to fat content in grilled meat, saying: "There was no significant difference between the apparent and true retentions values, both indicating no significant loss or degradation of total lipids, cholesterol and fatty acids during grilling." - Source: [New data on the total lipid, cholesterol and fatty acid composition of raw and grilled beef (longissimus dorsi)] - The data / conclusion found saturated fat from grilling is not decreased. --Kuzetsa (talk) 05:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)