Talk:Greeks in Turkey/Archive 1

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"Antiochian Greeks"

“Antiochian Greeks” (ethnic Eastern Orthodox Christian Arabs who number 10,000 in Turkey) who now form a large portion in the given figure. The actual figure of Greeks may be around 1,000 to 1,500 people. Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.230.227 (talk) 09:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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To add-on to Barış' comment, here's a quote from Neal Ascherson's book, Black Sea:

“ The Turkish guide-books on sale in Turkey today offer this account of the 1923 catastrophe: 'After the proclamation of the Republic (Turkish), the Greeks who lived in the region returned to their own country. Their own country? Returned? Pontians had lived in that area for over 3,000 years. The Pontian dialect was not understandable to 20th century Athenians. ”

Khoikhoi 03:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Mention

maybe it should be mentioned that the most prominent greek in turkey is the patriarch of constantinople. at least there should be a link to the article about this institution. --Severino 10:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

done --Severino 10:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Not Constantinople. ISTANBUL. Learn it. Get over it. Get used to it. You sound like a Medieval soldier when you use that name!!Thelorien 18:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

~~ The rightful name given to the city is Constantinople. Istanbul is a Turkish interpretation of Constantinople. Also, the Turks invaded the city. Greeks did not give the city over freelly with land rights exchanged. So, then for the Greeks it will still be Constantinople, right? Same issue concerning the Elgin marbles versus the Parthenon Marbles. Elgin did not create the marbles. He took them without authority of the Greeks, but by bribing the invading Turks. Nevertheless they are referred to by Greeks as the Parthenon Marbles, from whenst they came and for what they were created for. It's like a robber taking your child and renaming it whatever they want. You'll still refer to your child by the name you know it by? So, I don't think the name is an important thing to worry about. Greeks are called: Hellenes, but Greeks aren't upset when Turks call them Rums, right? So, if Greeks want to refer to Constantinople as such, so be it. by ApplesnPeaches ~~

my comment referred to the institution, the patriarchat of constantinople. you sound like a turkish nationalist,thelo.. and probably you are. --Severino 19:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The Greeks of Turkey

The Greeks of Turkey number fewer than 2,000 not 20,000 people. Nor are they the wealthiest community they once were. Correct this.

Please cite your sources. This article was directly copied from the (public domain) United States Library of Congress. —Khoikhoi 06:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

~~ what about the greek speaking muslims of pontus? aren't they of greek decendency? then surely it would be more than 2000 greeks in turkey? Also, lets not forget that Constantinople/Istanbul used to be Greek and so still has some 5000 estimated living there. by ApplesnPeaches ~~

A brief look at the two paragraphs below makes it clear how grave and hopeless the situation of the few remaining Greeks are. Their numbers are so small, as of 2010 their population is around 1000 to 1500 who are overwhelmingly elderly (over the age 65) and the total number of Greek students of that population is below 100 (!) and the total number of Greek teachers is below 30! They are mostly divided between the still "functioning" Zografeion Lyceum with 45 pupils and 20 teachers and the remainder in the Phanar Greek Orthodox College with 10 students! These large and grand buildings and the other few Greek schools are practically "ghost schools". In ten years time, with a young generation severly lacking and a new generation no longer born, the tiny remant of the 3000 year old Greek community in Turkey (that is Istanbul) may be having its last rites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.254.105.250 (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The Greeks of Turkey are heading to certain extinction.

The Greeks of Turkey who are overwhelmingly elderly, number 1,000 to 1,500 people and are heading to certain extinction.

It is obvious that Greeks in Turkey heading to extinction and this because of the turkish policy (especially during the 50s) wgo forced them to left Turkey,but they are about 2000 not 1500.217.78.231.159 (talk) 14:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

According to the Human Rights Watch the Greek population in Turkey is estimated at 2,500 in 2006. The Greek population in Turkey is indeed collapsing (heading to certain extinction) as the community is now far too small to sustain itself demographically, due to emigration, much higher death rates than birth rates and the resulting gentrification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.106.148.62 (talk) 13:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

There's actually over 1.5 million Greeks in Turkey, at least that. Just because they are Muslim doesn't make them less Greek.--English Bobby (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

References

Orphaned references in Greeks in Turkey

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Reference named "VRYO":

• From Istanbul Pogrom: Speros Vryonis, Jr. The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom of September 6–7, 1955, and the Destruction of the Greek Community of Istanbul, New York: Greekworks.com, 2005, ISBN 978-0-9747660-3-4.
• From Population exchange between Greece and Turkey: Vryonis, Speros (2005). The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom of September 6–7, 1955, and the Destruction of the Greek Community of Istanbul. New York: Greekworks.com, Inc. ISBN 0-97476-603-8. {{cite book}}: External link in |publisher= (help)

Reference named "BritB":

• From Phanariotes: Encyclopedia Britannica,Phanariote, 2008, O.Ed.
• From Greeks: "Phanariotes". Encyclopedia Britannica. United States: Encyclopedia Britannica Inc. 2008. Online Edition.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality

This article seems to strongly favour the Greeks. In particularly, the use of words like "outrage" and "unlawful" is inappropriate. --Tango (talk) 21:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

'Outrage' refers to vandalisms of a cemetery and 'unlawful' to practices that approved discriminatory laws and policies that violated fundamental rights (expropriation of private property, massive expulsions etc.), both are used in reliable bibliography too. Can you suggest some alternative words instead?Alexikoua (talk) 21:31, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

There is no need to have adjectives like that at all. It's an encyclopaedia article, it should just state the facts and not try to judge them. --Tango (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Turkish Law 1151 outlawed the teaching of the Greek language in schools

In this book by Louis Whitman, it states that Turkish Law 1151 outlawed the teaching of the Greek language in schools in Turkey, in direct violation of the Treaty of Lausanne (page 28). Any objections if i add this in the article? Thanks 23x2 _φ 18:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't mind at all. Just east of Trabzon there were even Pontic Greek madrassas. My great-grandfather went to one of them where they educated both in Greek, Turkish and Arabic. Stupid laws by Ataturk closed down all these schools that even already taught the latin alphabet. Ataturk set this region of Turkey back half a century in it's development. It's so sad that even my father (3 generations later on) could not go to school because there wasn't any.NeoRetro (talk) 22:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Contradiction

"Beginning from the 1930s" and "First World War" is a clear and strange contradiction. Is this about the 1930s in the Republic of Turkey or about the Ottoman Turkey during the Great War? Honest mistake or clumsy POV imposition? (I know the answer, don't worry.) --E4024 (talk) 10:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Labor battalions were a typical government response tagainst o non-Turks, associated with the Varlık Vergisi, during WWII (not WWI). However, the WWI labor battalions (by the Young Turk government earlier), should also be part of this article. Anyway, the chronological paradox is solved now.Alexikoua (talk) 12:08, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted a recent unexplained rv dirsuption edit. If there is still some kind of chronological sequence question in the main body, Im open to hear it.Alexikoua (talk) 10:43, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Greeks in Turkey

Moving the following message from my talkpage:

Hi. The person you have mentioned is half-Greek, half-Turkish. His mother is Turkish, father is a Greek. ArordineriiiUkhtt (talk) 05:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Reply: I just added two Turkish sources with links and quotations calling the family and also the mother, of Lefter Küçükandonyadis, Greek. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 05:32, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Well...It might be. Actually I didn't google it. I just read some news about him and they claimed that he is half-blood. But if the sources say so, his photo can be display in the article. ArordineriiiUkhtt (talk) 05:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you ArordineriiiUkhtt. Take care. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 05:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Lefter Küçükandonyadis

As far as I remember, he is hybrid. He born to a Turkish mother and a Greek father. So, I am not sure that he is a representative figure for Greeks that live in Turkey. But, nevertheless, i am not going to involve in an edit-war for this. Do you have any opinions? ArordineriiiUkhtt (talk) 05:32, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I just added two Turkish references calling his family and his mother Greek. Please see also my reply in the section above. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 05:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I saw your sources. You might be right. I am going to check it. ArordineriiiUkhtt (talk) 05:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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Levantine Greeks

Do I really need to explain why I changed this uncited excuse of a paragraph?

"are technically Christian Arabs, only called Greek due to the namesake of their Church"

"Technically are Christian Arabs"? Except from being incredibly racist (such as saying "Irish are technically English") what does that even mean and according to who is it true?

After that I made some additions in the history of the region French occupation etc that are not even controversial

Also according to the policy: "To ensure that all Wikipedia content is verifiable, anyone may question an uncited claim." "Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:3808:8F00:9025:F5AF:E32D:A0F9 (talk) 16:10, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Map of Anatolian Greeks

Hi everyone, I'm currently envisaging the creation of another map of the historic greek distribution in Anatolia. The current map seems a little bit outdated and has low resolution. If you would like to help, please provide me some sources or links I could use for the creation of the map. N.Hoxha (talk) 18:34, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

"Wealthy levy"

good effort, but probably "wealth tax" in English.--142.163.195.61 (talk) 00:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Famous people - Thomas Cosmades

according to the introduction this article is about Eastern Orthodox people. The article on Cosmades calls him Evangelical, and does not say he was originally Eastern Orthodox. --142.163.195.61 (talk) 00:55, 27 June 2021 (UTC)