Talk:Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2009/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

You have two Greek noms pending, so it is only right to review one now! --K. Peake 07:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Wikilink Ellinikós Telikós in the infobox
• The 4th position and 110 points are not sourced anywhere in the body
• Wikilink Ellinikós Telikós
• "began a promotional tour around" → "began to travel around"
• "including the selection events for other countries participating in" → "including events held by other participants in"
• Again, Greece's fourth position and 110 points are not sourced
• "At the 16 May final," → "At the final on 16 May," but the eighth position is not sourced

 Done

Background

• [2] should be at the end of the first sentence as well per both refs being used for this info
• Shouldn't 2001, 2004 and 2008 be piped to the appropriate Eurovision articles?
• Wikilink Sakis Rouvas
• Pipe Kalomoira to Kalomira
• Add a comma after 1998
• Remove pipe on Thalassa
• It is not sourced that all of those points were from Cyprus
• Shouldn't 2004 and 2006 be piped to the appropriate Eurovision participation articles?
• Much of the information supposedly backed up by [6][7] is not mentioned
• Wikilink Eurovision Song Contest 2009

 Done

Before Eurovision

Artist selection

• Img looks good!
• "confirmed Sakis Rouvas as" → "confirmed Rouvas as"
• The part about him having placed fourth in 2004 is not sourced anywhere
• "in Athens alongside" → "in the Greek capital Athens alongside"

 Done

Ellinikós Telikós 2009

• Img looks good!
• "the announcement of Sakis Rouvas as" → "the announcement of Rouvas as"
• "during a press conference two days later" → "during a press conference the following day" per the source

• It ended up being the 12th instead of the 11th. Fixed the dead ref that had sourced that part and removed the out of date ref. Grk1011 (talk) 17:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Pipe R&B to Contemporary R&B
• The rock elements are not sourced
• Pipe Greek Australian to Greek Australians
• Are you sure a comma should be used before and when this is not American English?

 Done

Final

• Remove overly obvious wikilink on Athens
• The final being televised on ERT does not appear to be sourced, also ert.gr is mentioned but not as their website

• This was from the dead link that has now been repaired. Grk1011 (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• The song being the winning one is not mentioned by either of the sources
• Wikilink jury
• Olga Pavlatou is not sourced as part of the jury, but Stella Flora is so why aren't they mentioned instead?

• This was from the dead link that has now been repaired. I added Stella Floras as well to be more precise. Grk1011 (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Are you sure a comma should be used before and when this is not American English?
• "and a ninth press vote" → "and a seventh press vote" per the source
• ESCToday should not be italicised

 Done

Promotion

• None of the first sentence is sourced
• "entry "Bistra Voda" on 1 March." → entry "Bistra Voda" on 1 March 2009."
• The eurovision.tv stream is not sourced
• [26] backs up practically none of the content
• Are you sure a comma should be used before and when this is not American English?
• "Serbia where he would stay until 4 March," → "Serbia, where he would stay until 4 March 2009,"
• Are Fox TV and Radio S separate? Also, the programs afterwards have no indication of the date(s).

• This was a weird sentence. I rephrased and just listed the networks there since only one had a specific date listed. Grk1011 (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Pipe Youddiph to Masha Katz
• Pipe Prime Minister to Premyer-Ministr
• "in Cyprus on 13 March" → "in Cyprus on 13 March 2009"
• "concluding on 24 February." → "concluding on 24 February 2009."
• The hotel and other locations in Athens are not sourced

• Fixed the MAD TV ref, which had this info in it. Grk1011 (talk) 17:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Remove wikilink on Athens

 Done

At Eurovision

• Remove wikilink on Moscow

 Done

Performances

• "along with Elias Ledakis, were" → "and Elias Ledakis were"
• "with BBC News remarking" → "with Richard Galpin of BBC News remarking"
• The outfit being designed by Celia Kritharioti and four dancers being present are not sourced
• Pipe Greek flag to Flag of Greece on both occasions
• "was one of the ten performances" → "was one of the 10 performances" per MOS:NUM
• Pipe Ladbrokes to Ladbrokes Coral
• "on 16 May," → "on 16 May 2009,"
• Are you sure a comma should be used before and when this is not American English?
• The top-ten streak is sourced, but not specifically as sixth

• This is allowed per WP:COUNTSORT, but I've added a courtesy ref that has the table showing it being the sixth. Grk1011 (talk) 17:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• [44] should also be invoked after the first two sentences per the usage of quotes
• "in our hearts" many journalists" → "in our hearts", many journalists"
• "for him: "some win," → "for him: "Some win," per the source
• "a wonderful experience"." → "a wonderful experience."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences
• Global Greek Radio should not be italicised
• Remove pipe on "Shake It"

 Done

Voting

• Remove wikilink on jury
• "and to the United Kingdom" → "and to the UK"

 Done

Points awarded to Greece

• Good

 Done

Points awarded by Greece

• Good

 Done

Detailed voting results

• Good

 Done

References

• Copyvio score looks pretty good at 32.4%!
• Make sure all of these are archived, especially ones like ref 28 that are dead but have working archives
• Cite BBC Online as publisher instead on ref 9
• Pipe MAD TV to MAD TV (TV channel) on ref 13
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues on ref 20
• Add ESCToday as the publisher for ref 22
• Remove staff from ref 28 because they are not a proper publisher

 Done

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; the main problem was original research here. --K. Peake 08:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

  @Kyle Peake: I believe I addressed your concerns. I didn't find much OR, but it could have just been the dead link or two that snuck in there. Specific comments are listed above. Thanks for the thorough review! Grk1011 (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Grk1011 This definitely looks better now, however you still need to invoke the ref after any sentences that use direct quotes. --K. Peake 06:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: Got it. Done. Grk1011 (talk) 12:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, slick job picking up on the suggestions! --K. Peake 13:09, 23 June 2022 (UTC)