Talk:Greece/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 15:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll take up this review - I'll have a read through now and given on the size and complexity of the article I will leave some initial comments within 48 hours. I mainly focus on copyediting issues. Thanks! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 15:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

I'm sorry to say that this article did not pass this GAN. The notable problems in this article were the lack of referencing in some places, the issues with the lead and some citation needed tags still need addressing. I have left all information on how to deal with those problems below. The only reason why this GAN did not pass is that I thought that all this work could not be addressed within seven days. Please read the comments below!

However, ALL IS NOT LOST! If you can address all of these issues below and either renominate this at GAN or ask me to review it again, then I'd say this article would have a high chance of passing. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 18:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Initial comments

Lead

• This a big problem here. Per WP:LEADCITE it is best (and a must for Good Article) to remove or relocate all citations in the lead. Greece's lead section has approximately fifteen inline citations. All of these have to be either removed or relocated into the article!
• "Greece is a democratic, developed country with an advanced, high-income economy" - advanced what? This doesn't make any sense, does it have an advanced high-income economy? The comma adds confusion!
• "Greece is a founding member of the United Nations, a member of what is now the European Union since 1981" - what does 'what is now' mean? Hasn't the European Union always been the European Union?

Greece was the 10th member to join the EEC (European Economic Community) as EU was called back then, in 1981. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EFGR (talk • contribs) 22:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Etymology

• While the prose in this section is good, this section contains no references.

Earliest settlements to 3rd century BC

• "are believed to have been composed by Homer in the 8th or 7th centuries BC" - it's probably best to put this in chronological order to 7th or 8th centuries BC
• The whole bottom half of the section needs to be referenced - maybe moving some from the lead to down here would be a good idea?

Medieval period

• "suffered from the dislocation of the Barbarian Invasions" - in the article this is in italics? Does it have to be?
• "In the 14th century much of the Greek peninsula was lost by the Empire" - which Empire? The Byzantine or Roman?

Ottoman period

• There are at least eight page needed tags in this section, they have to be all eliminated if this section needs to meet the GA criteria.
• "While Greeks in the Ionian Islands and Constantinople lived in prosperity, the latter achieving positions of power within the Ottoman administration" - this sentence isn't great grammatically. How about While Greeks in the Ionian Islands and Constantinople lived in prosperity, Greeks living in Constantinople achieved positions of power within the Ottoman administration
• "effectively turning the rural Greek populations into serfs" - assuming the reader doesn't know what this means, how about changing it to serfdom?
• "Greeks usually took arms against the Empire, with few exceptions." - does this mean they fought or rebelled against the Empire?
• The final paragraph in this section needs at least a couple more references to achieve GA criteria.

Greek war of independence

• "After years of negotiation, three Great Powers, Russia, the United Kingdom and France" - this makes them sound like they're a bit holy. Does this suggest that Russia, UK and France were the only superpowers at the world in that time?
• Again, the bottom half of this section is unreferenced.
• There is also one page needed tag that needs to be dealt with.

19th century

• The entire section is unreferenced!
• "the Great Powers installed a monarchy under Otto" - who were the Great Powers? And who is Otto?
• "Corruption and Trikoupis' increased spending to create necessary infrastructure" - this makes it sound like corruption and Trikoupis are two different people. Also it doesn't specify how Trikoupis was corrupt?

20th century to present

• The bottom half of this section is unreferenced - it needs to be referenced if it were to meet the GA criteria.
• "In the following years, the struggle between King Constantine I and charismatic Prime Minister Eleftherios Venizelos" - does charismatic really need to be here?
• "During part of WWI" - it is always best if World Wars be mentioned in their full names (First World War, for example). How about During parts of the First World War
• Has to be objective on Greko-Turkish war section. The effects of war are told onesided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.87.42.210 (talk) 15:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Geography and climate

• The prose here is good and well acceptable, however large parts of the section are unreferenced!

Political parties

• This section had an outdated tag and the problems here needs to be addressed.
• The final paragraph is unreferenced!

Military

• The prose here it good, but the entire section has no references! All sections must be referenced at least to a bare minimum to meet the GA criteria.

Eurozone entry

• The prose here is good, the only problem is that there is a citation needed tag that needs to be dealt with!

Debt crisis

• "....and Great Britain third with 12.6%" - this should be linked as United Kingdom as Great Britain refers to the island itself.

Transport

• The entire section is unreferenced! :'(

Migration

• There is one citation tag here that needs to be dealt with. Otherwise the prose here is excellent.

Languages

• The first half of the section is unreferenced, and there is another citation needed tag. Otherwise no problems here!

Education, literature, cinema and cuisine

• All of these sections have no references (cuisine section has one ref and a citation needed tag)!However, no copyediting issues in either of these sections.

Music

• Prose is good but again no references. The article needs at least a few in each section to pass GA.

Close

This article is one of the most viewed and most popular on all of Wikipedia. The serious problems here are the referencing issues, tags that need to be addressed to and a few minor copyediting issues which I have mentioned above. All of this is considered too much work to do in seven days. However, all is not lost. If you can address all of these issues and find some references to link into a few times in some of the empty sections then this article does stand a chance. Once all of these issues have been fixed, you can renominate the article for GAN. You can ask me to review it again if you want it to be swiftly passed or you can get someone else to have another look! I'm so sorry that this didn't pass. However, I think it can be passed if all of these issues have been clarified and I wish it the very best of luck in doing that! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 18:27, 7 March 2014 (UTC)