Talk:Greater Manila Area

Definition

Is there a reliable source as to what municipalities are included in this definition? If so, it should be cited. Otherwise, this list is into original research territory. --Polaron | Talk 15:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It (roughly) corresponds to the areas covered by the AGB-Nielsen definition of Mega Manila. This should be merged to that list. However, I have an inclination to call this OR. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 00:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Outdated Map

The map doesn't show Zambales, Batangas and Pampanga as part of the Greater Manila Area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.44.88 (talk) 02:26, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

table 1/table2?

Could we get more informative titles for these? Unless "Table 1" and "Table 2" are local terms for areas... OmikronWeapon (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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What is the Greater Manila Area?

I appreciate the effort to tidy up this article and introduce a more stringent RS-based approach to defining the topic at hand. However, i would suggest a more thorough investigation and research on the many definitions (official or otherwise) of the term Greater Manila Area. I feel like applying a rigid definition based on just a couple of sources is unrealistic, given the dynamic nature of metropolitan regions and it also fails to show its continuing evolution, the reason why there are many applications of the term GMA. As i said in a previous discussion, the official definition of Greater Manila Area (or that used by the PH national government) should be prioritized in the article. But what do government sources say about Greater Manila Area? If you check NEDA sources, there are references to GMA as including Pampanga, Batangas, Tarlac, etc. The same is true with some PIDS sources. So the question is which government definition do we use? My suggestion: to use the latest NEDA definition of the Greater Metro Manila Area or Greater Capital Region (2014. See Metro Manila Dream Plan). But that doesn't mean other definitions (particularly earlier ones) should not be mentioned in the article as part of its evolution.--RioHondo (talk) 14:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll mention Urban Luzon (unsourced article) and Super regions of the Philippines (de facto defunct and poorly cited) too. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Urban Luzon must be deleted as its not even mentioned in AGB Nielsen Philippines that supposedly created its definition. As for the Super Regions article, well it is supported by government sources and a presidential executive order even. This is no different from Strong Republic Transit System and Metro Manila Dream Plan, all past administration programs or projects. If the term bothers anyone or creates confusion with the other regions, i suggest moving it to Philippine Executive Order 561.--RioHondo (talk) 15:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I will mention Megalopolis, Megaregions of the United States and Northeast megalopolis. What about Mega Manila? Depending upon how one defines a city, Manila is the 5th largest cities by population. The city as defined there is by population density not political boundaries. There could be an article talking about the Manila megaopolis as an urban area and then the political lines like Greater Manila Area, NCR, and Manila proper, as well as any regions. The political boundaries often follow the real boundaries. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 15:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I remember suggesting that Mega Manila be merged to this article in my earlier conversation with HTD. As i said, there are many definitions for this greater Manila urban area, but what they all have in common is the idea of the Manila megalopolis, because we have an article for the city, Manila, an article for the metropolitan area for Manila, supposedly Metro Manila, so what could be greater than a metro area? There ought to be only one article for each, but since this mega urban area or megalopolis of Manila has different names, and varying definitions, we can all just merge all those ideas together in a list type of article or included as part of the history of how this Greater Manila Area has evolved and continuously expanded up to the present.--RioHondo (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

NCR Plus

NCR Plus redirects here but presumably GMA and NCR Plus are not contiguous. GMA changes every time a "built-up area" attached to the built-up area in around and Manila is gained or lost. You could argue that the La Mesa Watershed is not a built-up area, so is not a part of GMA despite being totally surrounded by it. (Are vacant lots not "built up areas"? Interesting!)

NCR Plus has defined borders: Metro Manila, and the provinces that border it. Guess what, that's one of the definitions of "Mega Manila" (the other being Metro Manila and the regions that border it plus MIMARO).

Either "NCR Plus" has to be removed from this article, discussed in the Mega Manila article, and is redirected there, or we create new article altogether. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Howard the Duck: Alternatively, we can just redirect it to COVID-19 community quarantines in the Philippines. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 00:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I second just redirecting the term to COVID-19 community quarantines in the Philippines, nobody used NCR Plus outside the context of the quarantinesHariboneagle927 (talk) 13:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

That's feasible... until the term gets to be used for other purposes... Howard the Duck (talk) 19:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

• @Howard the Duck: re: GMA and the built-up area. According to this Demographia article, which is a citation at List of metropolitan areas in Asia, the population for the built-up area of Manila is 23,971,000 people within a 1,873 square kilometer area (page 20 of the pdf file). A note on page 13 reads: "Higher than other estimates, which are largely limited to the National Capital Region. Continuous urbanization extends into Cavite, Laguna, Bulucan [sic] and Rizal." JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 10:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)