Talk:Gracie Mansion/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 19:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Lightburst (talk · contribs) 02:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I enjoy reviewing your articles and I often have a start because I saw them first at DYK. I look forward to reviewing this one, it may take me a bit. Lightburst (talk) 02:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The article is quite a chunk - 10k words. I read it through a few time, I think some material my be considered extraneous information, but it is there in your desire to cover everything. But I will carry on with citation checks. Lightburst (talk) 15:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I had a chance to do another read through and check some of the references. I will list any other issues for your consideration. Lightburst (talk) 22:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Good work. I was unable to confirms some sources, but I am very familiar with EG's writing and source interpreting skills. AGF is appropriate. The sources I did confirm were spot-on. It is always a pleasure to review EG's work as they are very receptive to improvement suggestions. Overall the article passes our guidelines for a good article and I am happy to pass the GAN. Lightburst (talk) 17:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Images

All are properly licensed: three are from the Library of Congress and the other 6 are from users and Flickr. They add interest and are appropriate. Lightburst (talk) 03:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Grammar and other

"and it has also received accolades and been depicted in numerous media works." might be missing a word before been depicted

• Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

In the body we have "also known as Archibald Gracie Mansion" there is already a redirect from that title, so would it make sense to add this to the lead in bold?

• Done. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

This line reads funny to me, like conversational English. "The Europeans settled what is now New York City" what do you think?

• I've reworded this. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

This line also "This made Gracie Mansion one of a relative few official mayoral residences" It is up to you.

• I've reworded this as well. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"New York City cultural affairs commissioner" Also wondering about capitalization here

• I think this might fall under MOS:JOBTITLES, which recommends lowercasing the job title unless we're specifically talking about the office (e.g. Commissioner Cultural Affairs). Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"interior decorators; and Dianne Pilgrim and David McFadden were employed as the curators." Not sure the word and should appear after the semi

• I reworded the sentence. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"designs of each room has been changed" might have meant to say have

• Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"Prior to 1942," clearer language would be before

• Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"There are also a service door" maybe is

• There are multiple things here: a service door and windows. The full sentence is "There are also a service door to the north and windows to the east." Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) I see, it still sounds funny but if you are happy...  Done

"Wagner ballroom." unsure if ballroom should be capitalized

• Fixed (it should be). Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"New-York Historical Society" I do not think New York should be hyphenated

• Funnily, this hyphenation is correct in the N-YHS's case. The hyphen dates from the 19th century when the city was referred to as "New-York". We no longer use the hyphen when referring to the city, but the organization still uses a hyphen in its own name. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"interior scenes were actually filmed at Wave Hill" actually may be an unnecessary word

• Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

In the Previous site usage section the prose seems random and out of order from the end of the second paragraph and through the third.

• I split out parts of the second paragraph to fix this. Epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Done

Not sure if the citation should be inside the parenthesis here "mayor invited to the mansion[24])" I see this several times in the article so you intended to do it. I will research to see if this is MOS.

• I've removed all instances of this. Epicgenius (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Done - Note: I am really not sure which way is right. Lightburst (talk) 15:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

This line may read as conversational "Gracie was so wealthy that, when he lost $1 million in 1807 due to naval blockades, his net worth was hardly affected." what do you think?

• I've reworded this. Epicgenius (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Done

I lose track of "Moses" as only his last name is used in the Conversion and La Guardia use section. Maybe use his full name at least once there?

• Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"Susan had to change in a closet when official city meetings encroached into the mansion's living space" I know what this means but maybe we should make it clearer?

• Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Done

Would you consider using $ inflation templates? All of the expansions and repairs - especially the large amounts from the annex section - the amounts seem low but with inflation were actually high.

• I will be doing this soon. Epicgenius (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)  Done
  • I have now done this. Epicgenius (talk) 15:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)  Done

missing context for this line in the Koch use and expansion section? "He decided to live at Gracie Mansion full-time after having dinner there with his family" and "within four years, Koch had gone through four chefs"

• For the first sentence, he just decided to live at the mansion after attending a family dinner there. For the second sentence, Koch was notoriously picky about his food, so he fired three chefs in quick succession. Epicgenius (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I suggest adding the context. When I read it I needed context. Lightburst (talk) 15:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• I have now done this as well. Epicgenius (talk) 15:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)  Done

asbestos abatement could use a link? And should ocher be ocher?

• Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Done

"mansion includes around 14 rooms" do we know how many?

• Unfortunately I don't. Epicgenius (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Done

Infobox

Citation 1 goes to a search page. Can that be fixed?

I have now fixed this. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)  Done

Citations

Site section - The citations check out here - (I cannot access cite 5) Done

Previous site usage I spot checked references here. Done

Gracie occupancy section the citations I was able to check are correct  Done

Museum use section checked citations  Done

Historic house and museum checked citations  Done

Mayor use checked citations  Done

Media and popular culture spot checked section citations  Done

Spot checked Bloomberg tenure section  Done

• Parks Department takeover section  Done

Museum of the City of New York use section  Done

Conversion and La Guardia use section  Done

20th century section  Done

Facade section  Done

Interior section spot check  Done

Operation section  Done

Impact section  Done

Table

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   Notes above

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

   Notes above

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   Notes above

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   See notes

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

   See notes

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   See notes

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