Talk:Goodbye (Billie Eilish song)/GA1

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Coolmarc (talk · contribs) 20:53, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Criterion 1

It is reasonably well written.

a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

• According to Eilish, she hated when an album ended unexpectedly. She wanted her album to actually have a goodbye. Unencyclopedic writing. WP:EDITORIALIZING
• Although it did not enter the Billboard Hot 100, it peaked at number 4 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart. MOS:NUMERAL
• "Goodbye" was met with mixed reviews upon release from music critics. They praised the song for being the right ending to the album but didn't think that it was good enough for it to be a standalone track. Not enough reviews to establish consensus. Do NOT use contractions like "didn't" per WP:CONTRACTIONS
• Eilish usually ends "USUALLY" is vague and not a term we use on an encyclopedia.
• The song was the final track on the album. What song?
• In an previous interview with MTV, Eilish states that she wanted something like "Goodbye" as the conclusion because, "I don't like when a song just ends an album and then nothing feels like it's actually over. I really wanted something to feel like a finish line, to feel like a period at the end, you know? So the idea was to have that 'Please, don't leave me be' right at the beginning, and then basically the rest of the song is every single song on the album, starting from the bottom to the top. And then when it gets to the top, it just kind of dies down and it feels like it's a goodbye. It almost feels like an RIP."[3] According to Finneas in an interview with MTV, he states, "That was Billie's idea, and I just thought it was really cool, the other thing I did was I layered in, really quietly, clips of all the songs on the album and played them backwards. To us, the motif would be when you grow up listening to a tape and at the end, you reverse the tape to go back to the beginning of the song." He continues the interview saying, "Once we had ['goodbye'], we were like, 'Well, that's obviously the track listing, and we'd be crazy to shift that around. Once that happened, we're like, 'OK, this is done.'"[3] This is a lazy WP:QUOTEFARM. Please familiarize with MOS:QUOTATIONS: "Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. While quotations are an indispensable part of Wikipedia, try not to overuse them. Using too many quotes is incompatible with an encyclopedic writing style and may be a copyright infringement. It is generally recommended that content be written in Wikipedia editors' own words. Consider paraphrasing quotations into plain and concise text when appropriate (while being aware that close paraphrasing can still violate copyright)."
• Eilish designed "Listen Before I Go" and "I Love You" with "Goodbye" to feel like a sentence.[5] Since when do you "design" a song and use slang such as "like" on an encyclopedia?
• "Goodbye" debuted at number 4 on the US Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart. MOS:NUMERAL
• Insider are not reputable music critics, there are plenty of reviews on this album by reputable music critics, See the 21 reviews on Metacritic and even more reputable critic reviews at AnyDecentMusic?
• Circa the Future are a WP:BLOG and not a reliable source, they are not qualified journalists. Their About page describes them as "Born in NYC two blocks from the World Trade Center months after 9/11. At age 12 moved just over the GWB. Activities include listening, looking, watching, eating, going to High School, and keeping an eye on my little brother. Kind of play basketball. Definitely play squash. Have been known to throw a frisbee. Eat snacks at regular intervals."
• Vulture called the song a "Wizard of Oz/Dark Side of the Moon conclusion, your dramatic Hollywood ending." Poor sentence construction.

Criterion 2

It is factually accurate and verifiable.

a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

• The song was the final track on the album. It was co-written by Eilish and her brother Finneas O'Connell, with the latter also producing the track. It was mastered by John Greenham and mixed by Rob Kinelski, both of whom also served as studio personnel. is unsourced.
• Eilish usually ended her concerts with "Goodbye" WP:OR
• Ref 12 doesn't support the claim that she performed "Goodbye" at Glastonbury Festival.
• Ref 13 Setlist fm is a user-generated source, meaning anyone can edit it and therefore unreliable per WP:USERG.
• Ref 14 is incorrectly formatted.
• Ref 19 has both a website and publisher.
• WP:OVERLINK of Variety in references.
• Referencing very inconsistent, using website in one citation and then work in the next. Ordering inconsistent.

Criterion 3

It is broad in its coverage.

a (major aspects): b (focused):

The article is a stub at this point, we don't even know what the song sounds like, there are no details on the music structure, genre. The article is essentially a quote collection of an interview from MTV and 1 or 2 reviews by critics.

Criterion 4

It follows the neutral point of view policy.

Fair representation without bias:

There are unsourced claims, and claims not supported by sources provided.

Criterion 5

It is stable.

No edit wars, etc.:

• Acceptable at this criterion.

Criterion 6

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

There are none.

Overall

Overall:

Pass/Fail: In addition to the above issues, the article is a WP:STUB and it also fails WP:NSONGS and should be nominated for deletion. CoolMarc 11:35, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

No. User:Coolmarc - It is Start-Class. But User:DarklyShadows nominating it for Good Article was silly. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:13, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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