Talk:Golden Spike Company

Not colonization

I oppose linking to Colonization of the Moon from this article (currently the text "surface of the moon" is thusly linked.) What wikipedia needs is a Lunar surface sortie article.... (sdsds - talk) 05:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the change you made. I think it was appropriate. I was struggling with what article to reference on Wikipedia to that point, and I think you choose a better one than the link I originally made. --Robert Horning (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Sources

Starting a Talk page section to collect sources of reliable source media that could be used for citations as the article is developed in the next day or two:

• NasaSpaceflight.com : (Ready-to-use citation is here) : Cheers. N2e (talk) 20:02, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
• this detailed profile in Wired: "Golden Spike Company Unveils Plans to Fly Commercial Crews to the Moon"
• Washington Post piece:"Golden Spike space-tourism company: ‘To the moon!’"
• AP Science write-up: "To the moon? Firm hopes to sell $1.5 billion trips".

Social Media

Golden Spike has established and controls (at least) three social media channels as part of its corporate communications strategy. Typically links to social media are normally to be avoided, per:

• (item 10) Links to social networking sites (such as Myspace and Facebook), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, Usenet newsgroups or e-mail lists.
• (item 11) Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)
  — Wikipedia:External links, Links normally to be avoided, items 10 & 11

However, per WP:ELOFFICIAL, it is stated: An official link is a link to a website or other Internet service that meets both of the following:

1. The linked content is controlled by the subject (organization or individual person) of the Wikipedia article.
2. The linked content primarily covers the area for which the subject of the article is notable.

Official links (if any) are provided to give the reader the opportunity to see what the subject says about itself. These links are exempt from the links normally to be avoided, but they are not exempt from the restrictions on linking. For example, although links to websites that require readers to register or pay to view content are normally not acceptable in the External links section, such a link may be included when it is an official website for the subject.

As such, the official social media channels set-up by Golden Spike as part of their corporate communications strategy are permitted and should be included as part of the External Links for this article, to provide readers direct links to the full range of official corporate media published or sanctioned by Golden Spike. Enquire (talk) 09:20, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I think the three social media links are excessive, given that this company has a web site that also links to at least two of them. Also, from the same policy referenced above, in the section "Minimize the number of links":

"... Wikipedia does not provide a comprehensive web directory to every official website. Wikipedia does not attempt to document or provide links to every part of the subject's web presence or provide readers with a handy list of all social networking sites. Complete directories lead to clutter and to placing undue emphasis on what the subject says.

More than one official link should be provided only when the additional links provide the reader with unique content and are not prominently linked from other official websites. For example, if the main page of the official website for an author contains a link to the author's blog and Twitter feed, then it is not appropriate to provide links to all three. Instead, provide only the main page of the official website in this situation. ... Choose the minimum number of links that provide readers with the maximum amount of information. Links that provide consistent information are strongly preferred to social networking and communication services where the content changes rapidly and may not comply with this guideline at any given moment in time."

- MrX 13:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

The concern of Minimize the number of links is where there is an excessive number of domains. Some companies literally own several dozen, if not hundreds of domains. For example many companies have several corporate domains for different divisions as well as a laundry list of domains for each of their products and trademarks, etc. In this context Wikipedia is NOT a WP:LINKFARM, per:

Wikipedia is neither a mirror nor a repository of links, images, or media files. Wikipedia articles are not:

1. Mere collections of external links or Internet directories. There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate. See Wikipedia:External links for some guidelines.
   — WP:LINKFARM

This is not the situation here. These three social media channels are discrete, do not in any way dwarf or distract from the main article (three only), and are not excessive in terms of a link farm or directory clutter and are all directly under the control of the company and meet the stipulations of the primary clause WP:ELOFFICIAL.

Enquire (talk) 16:05, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

These kind of links might be able to be moved to the infobox instead of in the external link area. That might make the external link area look a bit less cluttered and still present the information that is relevant, or even completely remove the external link section (for now) until there is something worth mentioning there which is not in the cited references. I agree with you that these kind of links, which are official, are not improper to have on a Wikipedia page. The question is mainly where to put them rather than if you should put them on the page. --Robert Horning (talk) 22:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

This is actually resolved policy and has been discussed ad naseum elsewhere. Companies who wish to advertise their social media channels do so on their official website. If they have an official website, we do not also list their social media sites. This is the intent of WP:EL#Minimize the number of links and is applied all over Wikipedia. This article is not an exception by any means. And they don't go in the infobox either. Promoting social media links is the responsibility of the company, not Wikipedia. Thank you. Yworo (talk) 16:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

More sources

Here's a fairly detailed space media source with an in-depth article from Oct 2013, ten months after the original public announcement, as well as some further info in Jan 2014:

• Golden Spike promote lunar sample return options, 23 Oct 2013.
• Golden Spike recruit Draper to evaluate lunar landing sites, 22 Jan 2014.

The first of those articles also indicates that another revisit of the Golden Spike mission capabilities and customer interest/requirements discussion will occur in March 2014, at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston. Cheers. N2e (talk) 03:57, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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