Talk:Golda Meir/Archive 1

Archive 1

Religion removed

I removed the reference to her religion as "Judaism". This article lists her as an atheist. How is her religion "Judaism" then? Please, provide a source before reinserting. -- Northern (talk) 19:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Just a query

The caption to the photograph of a placard promoting Meir's speech indicates, apparently following the Gleason biography, that the meeting being promoted took place in Philadelphia. But the Yiddish text of the placard itself calls "All Jews of Detroit and especially members of 'Nakhshon'" to attend a meeting at the "Philadelphia Byron Center." Is it possible that the Philadelphia Byron Center was the name of a hall located in Detroit? I don't really know how you could follow up on this query, but it seems odd that the announcement would call on Jews of Detroit to attend a meeting in Philadelphia?!!!!

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This article on Golda Meir is extremely biased, nothing but praise praise praise, not one criticism. I am sure there are two sides to the story, she did not wind up in three wars with the palestinians just because she was a nice woman. Or perhaps what is written is the official Israel version of the story. Anyway she may have looked like anyones grandmother, but I have read some really nasty things that she said. And the fact that after the SIX day war she stole land from the arabs does not even tell who was living on that land at the time and that because of those kind of things we have the present day problems with israel and palestine. Oh well Wikipedia is known for crazy biased stories. ....

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.192.139 (talk) 22:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

This article warrants a lot more information from someone knowledgeable....DW

Did Golda had 2 children after she had died? :)

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DW, Agreed -- there must be more that's interesting. BTW could you put some information about the source and copyright status of the Golda Meir image on its description page please? Thanks. Mswake 12:18 Jan 17, 2003 (UTC)

Hi DW - in the absence of confirmed public domain status, I've removed the image. If you put it back, please give details of its copyright status and source. Mswake 08:58 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)

There's some kind of layout error near the bit about Operation Wrath of God, the picture and text are interfering with each other. Someone more knowledgeable correct it please? Adrianke77 11:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The fifth paragraph under biography seems to be out of place . . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.39.161.220 (talk) 23:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Literature

Should be more on literature about / by Meir. Particularly, her autobiography 'My Life' and the stage production Golda's Balcony.

Quotes

The article fails to mention that most arabs regard Golda Meir as being in the same league as Hitler or Stalin. Consider the blatantly racist and judeo-centric comments, which finaly display an ideology no better than the aryan supremacy and master race ideologies of the nazis Golda Meir so much despized:

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."—Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971.

"It is not only a matter, I believe, of religious observance and practice. To me, being Jewish means and has always meant being proud to be part of a people that has maintained its distinct identity for more than 2,000 years, with all the pain and torment that has been inflicted upon it" -Golda Meir in her autobiography, "My Life". (unsigned comment by User:131.112.128.230)

I don't see anything wrong with either of these quotes. Would you blame a Greek for being Hellenist-centric, or anyone else for that matter for being proud for who she is? However I find your rhetoric highly inflammatory. Most Arabs do not believe that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraud, so what? This doesn't add it any legitimacy. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 08:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The first quote is little different than the belief held by many Muslims that any land that has been governed by Muslims should not be lost or ceded to rulers of other faiths. The second quote only shows a woman who is proud of her religious and ethnic heritage. That is not unusual. --(Mingus ah um 01:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC))

In my opinion her quote about denying the presence of Palestinians needs to be apart of her quotes. I think I have seen it on tape where she was asked "what about the Palestinians?" and her answer was "Where are they ?" --Lrukieh 02:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Is Golda the only female Jewish prime minister in the country's history? Also, has there been any Muslim or Christian running the country? I find Israel painfully repressive and I come from a place much worse being Chinese Singaporean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.147.100 (talk) 04:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Is that supposed to be a joke? The Israeli government considers it to be the Jewish homeland. It is not a secular state. Tad Lincoln (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Jewishness isn't a religion. Israel is a secular state. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:31, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Family

Golda's older sister is mentioned twice as Shayna and twice as Sheyna. Which is it?

Anomalocaris 16:21, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The 4th Reference about her aborting her 1st child leads to a deadlink.89.139.208.98 (talk) 17:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC) My Grandmother spelled her name Sheyna and always claimed to be Golda's sister. My father was one of Golda's bodyguards and she was always Tanta Golda. I dont know if this helps, but it is what I know — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.100.145.114 (talk) 00:47, 11 May 2016 (UTC) Uriel Isaacovich

Controversy

Golda Meir has been accused of being a racist and war criminal. (Add more info about these Allegations)

She has never been charged as a war criminal. Is there something (that is, a specific action of the Israeli Defense Force, Mossad or someone else) that you think should be identified as both: a) a war crime, and b) her direct responsibility? Has someone else already presented this arguement in public or in print (remember, wiki has a no original research policy)? If so, let's talk about it here. As for Meir being racist, well... you'll have to provide quotes (from her or someone else) before anyone will take that seriously. --(Mingus ah um 01:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC))

• A war criminal? nonesense! All she did was to punish the terrorists who murdered the Israeli athletics team in 1972. Left wing nonesense to describe her as a criminal. She wanted peace, but recognized peace would not come by sitting back and allowing these terroists to destroy democracy in Israel.

-What about her famous quote that "There are no Palestinians." Why is there no discussion of Meir's treatment of the Palestinians and role in continuing the occupation of the Palestinian territories? It seems that among discussion of Israel's leaders, discussion of a centerpiece of Israeli policy and a continuing injustice, occupation, is completely ignored. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clank17 (talk • contribs) 21:34, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

This article is heavily biased, with no consideration for other view points, esp. those of the Arabs, Christians, and Zoroastrians concerning the seven day's wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.147.100 (talk) 04:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

That's because this article is about Golda Meir, not any particular events. Tad Lincoln (talk) 21:39, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Greater Detail for MANY sections needed and misleading section removed

I really wish this article would go into much greater detail about Meir's activities during both the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War. Update: I added a huge amount of information about the Yom Kippur War. I also reorganized the formatting of this section of the article. Let me know what you think..This can be a great article but we need to add a lot more information. Flyerhell 09:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

The more the merrier. --(Mingus ah um 01:57, 18 April 2006 (UTC))

The bronze finished sculpture of Golda interacting with Mr. Sadat, is one of the world's greatest sculptural groups

The world leaders of the cold war, and middle east confrontation are gathered as if in a theatrical green room, interacting or just mixing. The effect is stunning and Golda makes a powerful presence, along with Khrushchev,Churchill,DeGaul, Zhou Enlai,and many others. It is presented in both 2D and 3D. 30 million 3d glasses were sold last year, kids have most of them. This is a good way to dramatize history for young people.3dnatureguy 03:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Golda was the first female prime minister or head of state to oversee a nuclear weapons programme. I have added this to the article. Not sure if Trivia is the right place or not! --Commking 03:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...I thought Israel never admitted to such a program? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.147.100 (talk) 04:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

They haven't. Israel does not deny, nor does it admit to, having a nuclear weapons program. Tad Lincoln (talk) 21:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

the first picture

why doesn't the first picture in this article have good revsolotion???

Coined

In the article's second paragraph: "Golda Meir was the 'Iron Lady' of Israeli politics years before the epithet was coined for Margaret Thatcher."

Doesn't the word "coined" tend to mean the first, which makes the statement contradict itself.

Amyloo 15:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and people tend to say "was coined by (the creator)" not "coined for (any particular figure, subject or object)." --(Mingus ah um 23:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC))

Grew Stronger

I struck this line from the opening paragraph because it is 1) highly subjective and 2) likely to be false, since she is held by many to be responsible for the Yom Kippur War (through her stonewalling), which did Israel no good. Bluesprite 21:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

- sorry, which line? I don't see it

It read: "Under her leadership Israel grew stronger." at the end of the first paragraph. You can find it under the history where I have made a change. Bluesprite 17:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

An atheist?

Someone told me Meir was an atheist. I found this quote: "she was asked whether she believed in God: 'I believe in the Jewish people, and the Jewish people believe in God.'" [1] Can anyone share more on her religious beliefs? —Morning star 21:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe she was Agnostic. Teatreez (talk) 15:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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War missing

This article is missing mention of the 1969 War of Attrition, which killed Meir's popularity in Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.118.1 (talk) 21:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Good article?

For an article to reach good article status, doesn't it need to pass a GA review? Could wikiprojects determine whats a good article and whats not? --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

dates

In the Left hand box below her picture it is stated that Golda Meir was fourth foreign minister from 6677 till 1966. Not being 100% down with the Hebrew calander and unsure of the actual date of when she began that particular office... would someone please correct that or if it is (which I doubt) in the Hebrew calander, please adjust for consistency's sake... Thanks Shg3 (talk) 07:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The reference that is used in the lead says

While the pronunciation of her new name is May-ear many American refer to her as My-ear.

which means either the reference or the IPA-notation in the article is wrong, because right now it reads "my-air". If the reference is right, it should be something like [mejːɪər]. I'm not a linguist, so could someone else please check this before I change it? Six words (talk) 00:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

American

How is she an "American?" Simply living in the United States does not an American make you. I've lived portions of my life in Germany and Holland, that does not make me German or Dutch. Did she ever receive citizenship in the United States? 98.220.57.204 (talk) 19:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see now that she married what I assume was an American student while in college. 98.220.57.204 (talk) 19:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

That's got nothing to do with it. On July 9, 1917, her father Morris "Moshe" Mabowehz became an American citizen. Under American law in effect at that time, children under 21 received "derivative citizenship". By that time, she was already pretty thoroughly Americanized (or Milwaukeeanized, anyway). --Orange Mike | Talk 20:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair point, however, lets hope that Milwaukeeanization isn't a fair representation of Americanization :)! 98.220.57.204 (talk) 08:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Ya, hey dere, Milwaukee was still pretty Germanic and old-world in those days. However adapted she was to my neighborhood, shopping up by Schuster's and taking the streetcar to where it turned the corner round, little Goldie would have still been considered rather "foreign" by the standards of, say, Burlington, Vermont or Jackson, Tennessee, ain'a? --Orange Mike | Talk 16:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC) lives over on 2nd Street by Schlitz

How many times does she marry Morris Meyerson?

The story of her meeting Morris Meyerson occurs twice in separate paragraphs. In one she meets him in Denver, while in the other it's implied that she meets him while she's attending school in Milwaukee. It might even appear on first reading that she married twice. Which story is accurate, and where does the marriage description belong? Surely not twice. --NellieBly (talk) 12:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

The text is consistent, but chronologically not well-ordered and, as you note, filled with redundant repetitions: The article states she met him at Denver, and later married him at the age of 19 [1917]. It later says that started dating him 1913 [not stated if before attending school in Milwaukee also in 1913, but can be safely assumed so] and married him 1917. And finally again stating she married him 1917, with nothing else implied. It seems clear therefor that she met him in Denver in 1913 and married him in 1917 after returning to Milwaukee. The article seriously needs a major copy-edit to remove all these confusing redundancies (and more). Rami R 14:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Bruno Kreisky

Her conflict with the former Austrian Chancellor about Jewish transition from the Sovjetunion to Israel should be mentioned in the article. APhilipp29 (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Galili

The unreferenced information that I have just restored also appeared on the Galili page. Since I have the book, and its sequel, I added the reference. I have felt that some of Victor Ostrovsky's stories are absurd - but this one seems possible. Particularly the comment that it was such common knowledge at Mossad HQ that it was joked about. Obviously it could do with a second source - we'll have to wait for the new historians to reach 1958! Padres Hana (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Please double and triple check the spelling is correct for an American-born Golda

I am looking at a marriage certificate (not related to this article) from New York from 1935 that says that the Hebrew spelling of Golda has an alef between the gimel and the lamed, which is not how Golda Meir's name is spelled in this article. This could be a typo on that marriage certificate, but check anyway.71.109.152.169 (talk) 18:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Both the English and Hebrew spellings of many Jews from that era came (and come) in many variations. If you have an RS, you can add it to the article line that mentions her name, and/or create a redirect with the additional spelling. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

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Passport number 1

The reference links for Golda Meir having the first Israeli passport were dead. Also there is some controversy to who had the first Israeli passport. I've started discussion at Talk:Israeli_passport#Passport_number_1. Maximilianklein (talk) 21:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Despite arguments and claims about her surname....

Despite arguments and claims about her surname...
1. Recall that the situation is just the same in the United States as it is in German-speaking Europe, because America received over 60 million German-speaking immigrants.
2. "Meir" is also one of many different spellings of a common Germanic surname, which can be spelled {Meyer, Meier, Meijer, Meir, Mejier, etc.}
3. The old meaning of this name, back in Medieval times and the Renaissance was "peasant farmer". They don't have peasant farmers anymore in Europe or America, just like they don't have serfs in Russia and the Ukraine anymore, and the word was taken over (usually Meyer) by dairy farmers.<br?> 4. In German, the word "Farmer" is not used for European farmers, where the modern word is "Landwirt", but the word "Farmer" IS used for farmers in the United States, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, etc. In other words, in German, a "Farmer" has a BIG farm in comparison with most of the farms in Europe, Japan, Southeast Asia, etc. 5. A modern Meyer is still a dairy farmer, buy under all of the spellings of the surname, that is still a peasant farmer from medieval or ancient times.98.67.96.127 (talk) 04:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Goldie/Golda and Myerson/Meyerson

Sources are quite confused on these questions. Newspapers from 1928 to 1950 have all variations of these. The Palestine Post has Goldie Myerson most commonly. It is clearly the case that she was commonly known as Goldie in those days, but she was known as Golda too and which was her birth name? We should find out which of Golda and Goldie is good Ukranian (or is it Yiddish?). As for the surname, most of the good sources have Myerson, and I was willing to say that it was definitely correct, but my faith was shaken by finding that her own autobiography "My Life" spells it Meyerson. Zero^talk 01:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Incidentally it is silly to write "Meir and Meyerson" since she didn't change her name until after his death. Zero^talk 01:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

The Ukranian wiki says Голді Мабович (Goldie Mabovitch). Zero^talk 02:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

This web site gives Golda/Golde as the Yiddish version with Golda/Goldie as the corresponding US name. Somewhere else I read that Goldie was a very common nickname in the USA at the time she lived there. My present hypothesis is that she was Golda at birth but called Goldie after US immigration. Nope, can't prove it. Zero^talk 03:06, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Incidentally, her husband signed his WWI registration card "Morris Myerson", not "Morris Meyerson". Zero^talk 14:33, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Only Female Prime Minister

Inserted clarification that Meir is to date the only woman to be Prime Minister (see Margaret Thatcher as a reference). Another editor claimed it was poorly written to make it sound like she was the only female prime minister in history (of any nation). I question the value of inserting that she was the world's fourth prime minister (not one of the first third as per prescribed guidelines of Wikipedia); again - see Margaret Thatcher - no mention of her order in line of world female prime ministers. Myownworst (talk) 15:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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4th prime minister

According to List of Prime Ministers of Israel, Golda Meir is the 4th prime minister. This is the correct number as she is the 4th person to hold the post (after Ben-Gurion, Sharret, and Eshkol, excluding interim PM Allon). The phrase "5th elected PM" is incorrect, as the position of PM is not an elected one (not during these years anyway): the prime minister is nominated by the president and confirmed by the Knesset. Even if by "elected" we mean this process, 5th is still wrong, as she was PM of the 14th government. Rami R 15:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

If there is a way to clarify this somewhat technical point, but Yigal Allon was an acting PM before Golda Meir. If Allon is counted as a PM (of a type), then Meir was the 5th PM. Nechemia Iron (talk) 18:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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