Talk:Goat tower/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kingsif (talk · contribs) 15:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Style

• Well written, few notes - I've made some minor edits, feel free to respond to these, too!
• Some explanation of "terroir" feels needed

I've added an explanation --valereee (talk) 19:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Could move the Cape Winelands bit further up in the paragraph, to let the reader connect that Fairviews must be in this region.

Done; split para into two, as it seemed to be getting long, but I'm not married to that --valereee (talk) 22:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

• Are there visitors to the Johnson farm other than those from CR and Poland? Maybe say 'including' somewhere?

Changed to 'from as far away as' to make it clear they weren't the only ones. --valereee (talk) 00:27, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

• Since there's a few towers based on the Fairview one, could these be moved up to after that part and given an introduction like "Other goat towers around the world have been influenced by..."?

Moved content --valereee (talk) 01:02, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

• The sentence about Holm could be rewritten, it feels rushed, somehow

I've added a couple of words and commas to set off a phrase, do you think that makes it flow better? --valereee (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

• Some notes

Kingsif, I have no objection to using BrEng, so storey/storeys, but in AmEng, it's story/stories for the levels of a building. BrEng may be the correct choice since the first modern/first English-speaking country of these is in SA? --valereee (talk) 16:24, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh, yes, I'd assumed it was in BrEng because of the European connection and some language earlier on, I think - why I changed it after checking the storey page. Sorry if it wasn't supposed to be! Kingsif (talk) 16:26, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Coverage

• There's exactly the same detail on the original Portuguese one in the lead as in the History section - can this be remedied?
  • The lead does not need to be too long because of the overall article's length, I feel a lot of the Torre das Cabras stuff (pretty much everything after Aveleda) can just be cut from it

I've removed quit a bit, left the explanation of what Aveleda is for context. --valereee (talk) 11:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

• • And the architect's dates don't need to be in the lead

Agree, cut --valereee (talk) 11:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

• In History, is there no information on how the design spread? Innovations? Why there's a lot in wineries?
• There's an image and four refs for Cholmondeley, is there no more information?
• Reception length acceptable.
• I know there's not super coverage of the goat towers around the world, but a reshuffle (some ideas above) may make it feel more complete.
• Some notes

Illustration

• Variety of images of goat towers; clear one for the top, Portuguese one to illustrate history of the design, British and American ones to show breadth of others
• No need for infobox
• Pass

Neutrality

• This is good
• Pass

Stability

• History fine
• Pass

Verifiability

• Sources fine
• Everything referenced in line
  • Bit of OVERCITE in the middle, any reason? Could the refs be moved to within the sentence if for individual facts?

I think I've cut this a bit, see what you think! --valereee (talk) 20:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

• Pass

Copyright

• Check looks clear
• Images all commons, seem to be properly tagged
• Pass

Overall

•  On hold A nice short article - just a few things to think about. Kingsif (talk) 15:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for starting review, Kingsif! I'll take a look at your notes! --valereee (talk) 16:04, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Kingsif -- the holidays are cranking up here, family coming in for the next ten days, I hate to ask but will it be okay if we are sort of on hold for a bit? On the 29th I will be out of town for a week but should have free time and (I've been promised) good wifi! --valereee (talk) 00:22, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Valereee: That's fine, thanks for asking! Kingsif (talk) 01:54, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Kingsif, sorry for my slow work, I've had some time-consuming projects onwiki, but I haven't forgotten this. I am continuing to work on history, info on Cholmondeley, Ekeby, and Finca el Rocio, and the question about so many in wineries! --valereee (talk) 11:08, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: That's great! I'll be ready when you are :) Kingsif (talk) 17:26, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Kingsif, I've not been able to find any information on Cholmondeley, despite asking for help at ref desk. Ekeby and Finca el Rocio, also not finding anything, and why so many in wineries would constitute OR, I'm afraid, as the apparent reason is the article that appeared in Decanter magazine but no one has stated that explicitly; it's just my surmise. I think I may have gotten as much as I'm going to get at this point. --valereee (talk) 20:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: that’s fine, I’ll give it a full read tonight and respond more then :) Kingsif (talk) 22:17, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: I think the only thing I have to comment on now is the style of the last couple of goat tower examples (Chomondeley and below) - they are short, simple sentences that have a definitive end, rather than flowing into the next sentence. Perhaps some connectives, maybe even combining some into paragraphs? Otherwise, good. Kingsif (talk) 01:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Kingsif, I've made a stab at fixing this by combining the short paras into one; see what you think. I also found what is (apparently?) a news story in a YouTube video and added some info from it into the section on the Finca el Rocio tower with translation help from MX (as I hadn't realized you too spoke Spanish!) I'm still hoping to find information about the Cholmondeley tower, but for some reason that one just hasn't received much coverage. I added a bit about the fact several towers have been built by wineries into the lead with no speculation why, since I couldn't find that anywhere, and also that many of them have become tourist attractions. I'm more than happy to keep working on finding more information, no particular urgency on my part to finish the review before I do whatever I can to improve the article! --valereee (talk) 21:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Valereee It's looking good, I'd be happy to pass it now, but if you want to wait on more information for updates, that's good, too - though I think you'd keep improving after GA anyway :) Kingsif (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Kingsif, I do tend to be a little AnRet when curating articles I've done significant work on. I have to force myself to take things off my watchlist even when I'm, like, actively disinterested in the topic. :D I would sincerely like to try to find something about Cholmondeley, I was thinking about asking for help from editors in Cheshire, UK. I probably shouldn't have nom'd it for GA yet, but most of the time it takes many months for a review to get picked up so I thought I was safe lol! --valereee (talk) 22:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Yes, I did see this in a section alone on GAN and thought I'd free it, but take your time. Kingsif (talk) 04:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Kingsif, I think I'm at a dead end. No one seems to know anything about the Cholmondeley tower except that it exists. Thank you so much for your patience! --valereee (talk) 15:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

No worries, that's great. Happy to pass now, then :) Kingsif (talk) 19:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)