Talk:Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (husband of Claudia Antonia)

First requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 21:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (Claudia Antonia's first husband) → Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (gens Licinia) – My move to the proposed title was pointlily [sic] reverted. Not only is the proposed name considerably shorter, but his membership of gens Licinia also applied, unlike his marriage, throughout the subject's life, rather then merely the last four years of it; and is mentioned earlier in the article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus is only notable for being Claudia Antonia's husband. Current title is clear and helpful All English speakers know what a "husband" is, only Latin-reading oddballs will recognise "gens Licinia" :) In ictu oculi (talk) 17:50, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per ico. Johnbod (talk) 18:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Connection to a gens is not much of a disambiguator. (Good example, though, of how Roman men in the Imperial period sometimes derived their name from their mother's family.) Our convention for disambiguating Roman men of the same tria nomina with no further known agnomen is by highest office held. That's why we have Publius Licinius Crassus (son of triumvir) and Marcus Licinius Crassus (quaestor) for the two sons of the famous Crassus (the so-callled 'triumvir', which he was not): there is no scholarly consensus on whether Publius ever held formal office, but his brother did. This GPM seems to have been a quaestor, so the proper alternative if this article title is unacceptable would seem to be Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (quaestor). Cynwolfe (talk) 12:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

But does that meet the initial requirements of a title (WP:TITLE) of being commonly used and recognizable to the reader or searcher? I'd suggest not. Johnbod (talk) 12:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't matter if consensus is that the article doesn't need to be moved, and "most common" is relative when it comes to a dude so obscure. We do have a guideline on Roman names, though: WP:ROMANS says Public officials with duplicate names should be disambiguated by the highest position held. Family relationships are used when the person held no office, or when the person's primary interest lies in that relationship, which seems to be the case here. Hence my oppose. Some sticklers might argue that "first" is unneeded unless Claudia Antonia's second husband had the same tria nomina. But if there's nothing particularly wrong or opaque about the current title (one could also, I suppose, argue that he's so lacking in independent notability per WP:ITSA that he ought to be a redirect), then I'm not sure it's worth a lot of fuss. Cynwolfe (talk) 20:46, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per Cynwolfe. I think her suggestion is spot on, although my suggestion would have been "Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (husband of Claudia Antonia)" since for purposes of disambiguation it doesn't matter how many husbands she had or what order they came in (unless two of them were named Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus). But listing by office could be appropriate IF there aren't any other quaestors by the same name. A cautionary note with that, though, is that the great Pompeius was probably quaestor at some point in his career, so if office will be used to disambiguate this one, I'd put the year (if known) in parentheses. P Aculeius (talk) 01:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 21:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (Claudia Antonia's first husband) → Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (husband of Claudia Antonia) – Slightly more encyclopedic style, and for disambiguation purposes it doesn't matter how many husbands she had. His main claim to notability is that he was married to the daughter of the Emperor Claudius. PatGallacher (talk) 23:54, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support per discussion in earlier move request. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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