Talk:Give Yourself a Try

Removing sourced content

The Telegraph describes "Give Yourself a Try" as a "fizzing indie rock" song. Additionally, NME describes the song as "a remarkably lo-fi return from a band who rarely do things by half-measures.". Idolator, a pop culture website, describes it as a "post-punk anthem". Please do not remove sourced content based on opinion. Giacobbe ^talk 17:57, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I can see that the Telegraph called it "fizzing indie rock". Fair enough. Vice said the song was "like a semi-jokey revival of early 00s indie rock." Which kind of supports the Telegraph except for the "jokey" part.

NME is not saying it's a song in the lo-fi genre. NME is only saying it's more lo-fi than the band's usual stuff, which is not strong enough to define the song.

Outlet Mag says the song "blends emo with post-punk revival". I can see that this assessment is not represented in the article body.

Song genres are defined by multiple sources agreeing, not by one source saying one thing and another source saying another thing. You can talk about various genres in the article body but when you say explicitly "this is the song's genre" it better be supported by multiple sources in agreement. Binksternet (talk) 18:23, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Is lo-fi a genre? According to its Wikipedia page, it's a production quality. You are correct in saying that NME does not say it's a song in the lo-fi genre, which is why it is not in the infobox as part of the genres. I wouldn't include "futuristic", "hazy", or any other production quality in there (as examples), since they are not genres. I think re-wording to avoid confusion might solve this issue. In terms of outletmag.co, I saw it when writing this article and chose not to include it out of WP:RSP. The "FAQ page" is blank, the "Our Team" page is also blank, and while I couldn't find an "About Us" section, the website's description on Google reads: "Outlet is a space where creative minds can come together and publish unique content on a daily basis for the enjoyment of our readers." Thus, I have no way of verifying that it has any sort of editorial oversight. Giacobbe ^talk 18:36, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Give Yourself a Try/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 20:35, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

You currently have four music GANs pending, so it is definitely fair for me to take one on! --K. Peake 20:35, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks good!
• "handled the song's production." → "handled the production."  Done
• "specifically their song" → "specifically their track" to avoid confusion with the next sentence using "the song"  Done
• "The song's production consists" → "The former's production consists" to be specific  Done
• There is too much listed for the lead what it consists of; trim this to avoid a supermarket list, but keep all the influences  Done
• Same comment as about for the lyrics; try listing a few subjects it covers then put "among others" at the end  Done
• "and praised the song's lyrics and production, noting it" → "and praised the lyrics and production, noting the song" to be less wordy  Done
• Mention that the 62nd Annual Grammy Awards were in 2020  Done
• Too many chart positions in the lead; remove the US Rock Airplay and Australia ones  Done
• The room was only inspired by self-reflection, not Lady Gaga  Done

• Reworded to avoid confusion. Giacobbe ^talk 11:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Background and release

• First para looks good!
• "which led to" → "which led precisely to"  Done
• "On 1 May," → "On 1 May 2018,"  Done
• Shouldn't [14] also be invoked directly before [15], as it backs up parts of that sentence?

• Is that necessary if it backs up parts of that sentence and the following sentence? Or would that be WP:OVERCITE? Giacobbe ^talk 11:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• I just thought it might be confusing because the readers could think [15] was the only source used for the sentence, but I guess it's ok. --K. Peake 12:19, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• No worries I can add it in! I can see what you mean. Giacobbe ^talk 12:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• "to 1 June." → "to 1 June 2018."  Done
• "radio show, set" → "self-titled radio show, set" with the pipe  Done
• "On 31 May," → "On 31 May 2018,"  Done

Writing and recording

• Quote box looks good!
• Pipe his generation to Millennials  Done
• Pipe tension to Tension (music)  Done
• The release year of "Disorder" should be in brackets on the first mention instead  Done
• "According to the singer," → "According to the 1975 member," to avoid confusion with the both bands part  Done
• "where both bands originated." → "where both bands originated from."  Done
• "Rather than sample the song, the band" → "Rather than sample the song, the 1975" with the pipe  Done
• Pipe STDS to Sexually transmitted infection  Done
• "drug addiction were autobiographical." → "drug addiction are autobiographical." for consistency with tense  Done
• "hard not to become emotional and remain objective." → "hard to remain objective and not become emotional." for correct order  Done
• "Overall, the singer classifies" → "Overall, the singer classified"  Done
• "saying it was about" → "saying it is about" because this is about the final song  Done

Music and lyrics

• Add a comma after the song title on the audio sample text  Done
• [12][23][20][24] should be put in numerical order  Done
• "reminiscent of "Disorder"." → "reminiscent of Joy Division's "Disorder"." per this being the music section  Done
• [27][23][28] same as above  Done
• Wikilink basslines, but are you sure the word springy is appropriate language for this section?  Done

• Added quotation marks around "spring", otherwise can paraphrase to "springing". Giacobbe ^talk 12:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• "staticy drums,[33] a skittering" → "staticy drums and a skittering" because the influences can go in their own sentence to avoid a run-on; move [33] to the end of the production sentence and place [34] directly after it  Done
• Img looks good!
• "and the acknowledgement of" → "and acknowledgement of"  Done
• Full-stop is not needed after the question mark because that is a full quote  Done
• Remove pipe on STDs  Done
• The "new, maturing personality" part is not sourced  Done
• "a cross between" → "a cross between the"  Done
• "Thomas Smith of" → "Thomas Smith from" to avoid overusing "of"  Done
• "Morgan Enos of" → "Morgan Enos from" per above  Done
• "represents "the point" → "focuses on "the point"  Done
• "to the Strokes' Room on Fire, "rendered" → "to Room on Fire "rendered"  Done

Reception

Critical response

• Replace the img with a different one, as only two critics are sourced as making this comparison in the section

• Added some more reviews comparing it to the Strokes for this section :) Giacobbe ^talk 12:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• First para looks good!
• Wikilink Jon Pareles  Done
• "while suggesting it serves" → "while suggesting the song serves"  Done
• "writing the song is" → "he wrote the song is"  Done
• "praised the 1975 for" → "praised them for"  Done
• "on darker topics despite its" → "on darker topics that appropriately accompany its" per the source  Done
• Italicise Idolator  Done
• "big, bold sound of" → "big, bold sound of their singles" with the pipe  Done
• "comparing it to" → "comparing the song to"  Done

Commercial performance

• Swap order of [52] and [53], as the UK chart position ref should be first per the prose  Done
• "of over 200,000 units." → "of over 200,000 units in the UK."  Done
• "and was later ranked" → "while it later ranked"  Done

Music video

• "A music video directed by Diane Martel" → "An accompanying music video, directed by Diane Martel,"  Done
• [60][18] put in numerical order  Done
• "The psychologist is" → "The psychologist that he turns to is" per the source  Done
• "to perform the song." → "to jam and dance to the song." per the source  Done
• "are presented as closed captioning" → "are presented with closed captioning" with the wikilink  Done
• "his problems through others." → "his problems through others' help."  Done
• "that can help" → "who can help"  Done

Credits and personnel

• Good

Charts

• Good

Certifications

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks slightly too high at 40.8%; cut down quoting from Billboard a bit to fix this
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Cite Idolator as work/website instead for ref 20
• Authorlink Jon Pareles on ref 40
• Target Paste to Paste (magazine) on ref 51

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed, another nice article from you though! --K. Peake 09:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• (CA)Giacobbe ✓ Pass now, a few issues popped up after my comments that I fixed and great job in responding within hours; I crossed out the ones you forgot to mark off. --K. Peake 13:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: Amazing job as always! Your hard work and dedication to reviewing GANs is remarkable! Thank you buddy! Giacobbe ^talk 13:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)