Talk:Giovanni Aurispa

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My edit was reverted because "the italian nation was born before the unified state", this is a specific nationalist perspective on history. To say that a subject of the Kingdom of Sicily was actually "Italian" is revisionist, as it attempts to apply modern perspectives of ethnic identity into the past. The first Italian dictionary would be published in 1612, 153 years after his death. He worked in Latin and Greek. Arguably you could always call the Italian Peninsula as a geographic concept "Italy", but in this case Sicily is not part of the peninsula. This is akin to calling Jesus 'An Israeli Religious Figure', it's anachronistic.Paolorausch (talk) 05:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Ethnically Italians even if politically divided they represent a pretty homogeneous ethnic group. There are sociological studies which confirm it. Here nobody is nationalist, so be less aggressive and read the sources.--93.36.0.14 (talk) 07:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Firstly, I apologise if you believed I was calling *you* a nationalist. That was not my intent, and I apologise. The idea of invalidating a group's ethnic identity and forcing the acceptance of an national identity is nationalist. Italy's official policy of treating romance minority languages as "Dialects" is also nationalist. I understand and respect your opinion. But I'm not accepting it as a consensus opinion as you're presenting it. How do we constructively reach a consensus that we can both agree on that acknowledges both of our perspectives? Paolorausch (talk) 09:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

In this particular article, this particular article worked both in Sicily and Italy. He existed before the Italian language existed, but I am open to including him as Italian because he also worked on the geographic peninsula of Italy. I propose he compromise and call him "A Sicilian and Italian Humanist" taking an inclusive approach to both of our positions that we can both provide citations for.Paolorausch (talk) 09:10, 28 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

No, I disagree. Italian automatically includes Sicilian. It is like saying French and Parisian or German and Berliner. Synthesis is important in these matters.--Walter J. Rotelmayer (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Sicilian humanist^[1] Humanist from Sicily ^[2] Sicilian used as adjective^[3]Paolorausch (talk) 10:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

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