Talk:Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex O.S.T. 2

Track 4 title: "idoling" vs. "idling"

Two of the four external links list the title with the o. The CD cover inlay does the same. The direct English translation of "アイドリング" however is "idling" (no o). This may be an error by Bandai or Victor Entertainment (or anyone else involved with printing the cover) but I can't find any information to prove that. Yoko Kanno has also deliberately misspelled English titles in the past (see Turn A Gundam's "Alfa and Omega") Because this is the English Wikipedia and the English CD cover spells the song with the o, I suggest doing the same in this article. 99.228.103.145 23:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I wouldn't trust other sites for these sort of issues, as most of them just rip-each other off over and over till there is no original poster anymore. The mistakes just keep being repeated till they become "The popular translation" ergo "internet - correct".

The Katakana transcribe to "A-I-DO-RIN-GU". This is something that is truth, and I doubt anyone could argue. I do not know why you wrote :

The direct English translation of "アイドリング" however is "idling" (no o)

In my own experience working with English-Japanese, "Idoling" (as in creating idols, or liking idol) would transcribe to "アイドリング" (as on the cover).

On the other hand, "idling" (or the act of being "idle" and doing nothing) transcribes to "イドリング".

For me, it is not a question of "o" or not "o", but of "ai" (pronounce "eye"), versus "i".

So yeah, I believe it is safe to say that the correct translation is "idoling". Especially in the absence of an "official website", we cannot trust massive sell websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happypal (talk • contribs) 08:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for chiming in on this. You obviously know more about Japanese-English translating than I do. I guess I should know better than to use Google's translator; that's where I got the 'direct English translation.' 99.228.103.145 22:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually I could be mistaken. I am unsure of the pronounciation of "idle". If it is pronounced like "id-ol", then above is correct. If you place enfassis on the i (as in "eye-dol"), then it could very well be either (as in "アイドリング" could translate to either idle and idol). This would make google translation correct. However, since "idoling" isn't a word, then it doesn't appear in google translation, but it could still be corect.

On a side note, I tried translating the nouns, as in "アイドル" & "イドル" to get "idling"(!) and "N/A". I'm not a native speaker of Japanese, and the japanese people that work with me suck too much in english to be of help. I'm afraid my help goes as far as this.happypal (Talk | contribs) 03:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the best solution is to mention this in the article?happypal (Talk | contribs) 03:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I take back what I said previously. This comes from the fact that I did not know the actual correct pronunciation of "idling" in English. Research has lead me to believe that "アイドリング" can translate to both "idling" and "idoling" indiscriminately. One is a word, and the other isn't, but this isn't very important...
I'll just update the article to state that it can translate to both, and leave it at that. happypal (Talk | contribs) 14:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)