Talk:George Vernon (MP for Derby and Derbyshire)

Date of marriage of John Manners and Dorothy Vernon

On the main page of this article there is an unsourced assertion that Dorothy Vernon married John Manners in 1563. This is incorrect.

Dorothy Vernon must have married John Manners in or before 1557. In the will of John Slater of Aylestone, dated 1557 (the exact date was not stated on the document), the testator Slater at the bottom of the page states that he owes money to "my lady maners" - which can only refer to Dorothy Vernon. He also stated that he owed money to "gorge varno[n]" (ie, her brother George Vernon or her father of the same name) and his own son Richard.

The source is the will of John Slater of Aylestone held in the Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland.

The will is listed in the "Calendars of Wills and Administrations Relating to the County Of Leicester Proved in the Archdeaconry Court of Leicester 1495-1649" as transcribed and indexed by Henry Hartopp. The will is indexed on page 35 of this publication under the year 1557. There is a copy of this book available online, however if you want to access the will itself you will have to visit the record office and inspect it yourself or telephone the record office who will provide a copy for a fee.

There is an inventory attached to the will, which is dated 10th November in the fifth year of the reign of Mary and fourth of Philip, ie, 10th November 1557. Therefore the marriage must have taken place before this date. An inventory is usually taken within days of the death. Mr Slater's burial date cannot be ascertained as the parish register of Aylestone does not being until 1561. John2o2o2o (talk) 13:16, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

As a PS to the above I will also say that in the light of this, the supposed approximate date of Dorothy's birth as "c 1545" is probably also incorrect. While technically legal to marry at 12 at the time, it it neverthless somewhat unlikely that she would have been married as young as this. John2o2o2o (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

David Trutt's research indicates that this is a mistake: Dorothy Vernon was born in 1545. She was 12 years old in 1557. Dorothy's older sister married in 1558, but Dorothy did not marry until 1563, when she was 18 years old: http://www.haddon-hall.com/HaddonHallBooks/DorothyVernon.pdf -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

See the Dorothy Vernon talk page for more discussion about this. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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