Talk:George Insole/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: CaroleHenson (talk · contribs) 18:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

This looks like an interesting article and I look forward to reviewing it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Intro and infobox

• Great job summarizing the article. It is concise, but hits the high points from the article. Thank you for the the citations for the claims in the intro.
• Please add a link to Colliery.

Thanks and done.  ~ RLO1729^💬 02:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Early life

Looks good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Coal merchant

• I am not understanding the use of multiple citations. The first paragraph has five citations, all at the end of the paragraph. Only one is needed, two or three perhaps to cover the content, more that that is overkill and make it harder to verify the information. In this paragraph, are some applicable only to certain sentences?

I struggled with this a little too. All citations are needed to cover all the information included in the paragraph. However, some citations cover more than one piece of information across the paragraph. In the end I thought it was cleaner to simply place all the relevant references at the end of the paragraph than cluttering it with repeated uses of the same references in different combinations throughout the paragraph for each specific item mentioned.  ~ RLO1729^💬

• Link first instance of Glamorganshire Canal please.

Let me know if I'm missing something but I think the first instance is already linked.  ~ RLO1729^💬

Yes, I missed that somehow. Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• The piped name for "Thomas" could be widened to "Robert Thomas" by using Lucy Thomas#As an industrialist as the link (or creating a redirect). Just a thought.

Done.  ~ RLO1729^💬

• Regarding "Situating his offices in Cardiff at the mouth of the Glamorganshire Canal he continued as agent for Waun Wyllt coal and contracts were written to supply London-based coal merchants." shouldn't there be a comma after "Canal"? (I am an American, and here we would have a comma between a phrase and would would otherwise be a full sentence.)

Comma added.  ~ RLO1729^💬

• It would be nice to have the author in the quote box. In this case, I would use E. D. Lewis, "Pioneers of the Cardiff Coal Trade". It helps provide context for the quote.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:52, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Done.  ~ RLO1729^💬 03:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Great, this section is  Done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Coal producer

• Comma after "In 1832" please.
• Comma after "Up to 1847" please.

I prefer minimal punctuation in these situations. Unless there is an intervening phrase I don't see the comma as grammatically necessary. There are many similar cases throughout the three articles under review and other editors who have made copy edits on these articles have not commented, so can we consider it a stylistic choice and leave them as is please?  ~ RLO1729^💬

• Nice images in this and the preceding section.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:00, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, some of them took quite a lot of negotiation to arrange copyright permission.  ~ RLO1729^💬 03:24, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, this section is  Done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Death and legacy

• I would add: "The Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian", 4 January 1851 — as the author for the quote box.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Done.  ~ RLO1729^💬 03:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Great! This is done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Selected histories

No comments.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

GA criteria

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Yes, it is well written, absolutely concise, and clear.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Yes, it complies with the MOS.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Yes, the sources are verifiable, but it is a little difficult because there are sometimes five and six citations used for the cited content.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Great sources. Please look at the years in citations 14 and 16, I think there is a typo (or you are a time-traveller).
	2c. it contains no original research.	There is no evidence of original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	From spot-checking books and the copyvio detector, there is no evidence of copyright violations.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	The article covers the main aspects of Insole's life.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Absolutely no unnecessary detail.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Yes, the article is neutral.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Yes, the article is stable.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Yes, the images are properly tagged.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Yes, the images are relevant to the article content.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
	7. Overall assessment.

Comments

Great job!

Please take a look at the years for citations 14 and 16.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Revised year for citation 16 - thanks for picking that up and many thanks for your very helpful review.  ~ RLO1729^💬 03:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I just realized that the numbers for 14 and 16 were issue numbers, in parentheses like a year. I have never seen that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Great job on the article! It passes.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)