Talk:Geography of Denmark

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The article is still of 'Start' quality. It has got some good details but it has nowhere near the amount of information it should have. Carewolf 15:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

The "climate" section on the bottom just links back to the same article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keevie (talk • contribs) 08:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Length of coastline

Even leaving aside issues of the fractal nature of coastlines and the impossibility of assigning definite lengths to them, there is confusion in the lead where a contrast is made between the country's 'tidal shoreline' and its 'general coastline'. Unless this latter concept has a definition then I suggest it be dropped from the text. cheers Geopersona (talk) 06:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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Every statistic is wildly wrong (or is the article name wrong?)

Denmark is the name of a sovereign state which includes Greenland and the Faroe Islands. This article totally ignores that reality. At the very least, a clarification of the restricted scope of the article should be prominent at the beginning of it, but it would be more honest to make it an article that reflects Denmark (as the word is used in English, this being en.wiki) or to change the name. Kevin McE (talk) 10:16, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I hear you, but need to present some basic info about this confusing subject:

As an entity, Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands are generally referred to as The Danish Realm (Danish: Det Danske Rige) sometimes also The Unity of The Relam (Danish: Rigsfællesskabet), and historically The Kingdom of Denmark (Danish: Kongeriget Danmark or simply Kongeriget). Usually the term "Denmark" only refers to Denmark proper, not Greenland and/or Faroe Islands. All three are countries in their own right, partially reflected in their use of individual flags. The governing of the three countries however, are overlapping in many areas, but that is a bureaucratic and administrative issue.

RhinoMind (talk) 12:42, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

The term Denmark usually refers to a sovereign state, not necessary to only one constituent country within that state. Look at our article Denmark, which lists size and populations of all three constituents: that is the target of the redirect from Kingdom of Denmark. Kevin McE (talk) 22:01, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. I am concerned that The Kingdom of Denmark redirects to the Denmark page. That is not a credible redirect. There needs to be individual pages on The Kingdom of Denmark, Denmark and The Danish Realm. And there the complications of the connections between these three entities should be discussed.

Whenever Denmark is mentioned in either Denmark proper, Faroe Islands or Greenland it only means Denmark proper. Otherwise the terms The Danish Realm, The Unity of The Realm or more archaicly The Kingdom of Denmark are used explicitly. RhinoMind (talk) 22:13, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

That is not common usage. Common usage is that the name of the sovereign state is Denmark, and that the European territory is also called Denmark, so some specification is needed if the restricted understanding is intended. Almost exactly the same situation applies in the case of France: French Guyana, Guadepoupe and Reunion, and others, are part of the state called France just as Greenland and the Faroes are part of the state called Denmark. There is a difference in that the European mainland has a distinct, if not very widely used, name of Metropolitan France. The phrase "Kingdom of the Netherlands" has some penetration into the English language in the third example (although while that excludes Aruba, Curacao and Sint Maarten, it does not account for Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba), but there is no such awareness in the English speaking world of the state name "Danish Realm". Even the Wiki article Danish Realm describes it as a constitutional relationship, not a state, and provides no aggregated data to suggest that it is a unified entity. Kevin McE (talk) 10:13, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

As I read your post you make two opposing statements and I am not able to deduce what your main point is. First you claim that "Greenland and the Faroes are part of the state called Denmark" and at the end of your post you say that "Even the Wiki article Danish Realm describes it as a constitutional relationship, not a state, and provides no aggregated data to suggest that it is a unified entity." So is Greenland, Faroe Islands and Denmark (proper) one state or are they not? According to you that is.

I think everybody can see now that it would be a great idea to present sound information about the three terms and entities of The Kingdom of Denmark, Denmark and The Danish Realm (also The Unity of The Realm).

Btw. I think we can quickly conclude that any argument based on what "has awareness in the English speaking world" is useless. Especially in this regard. Of course we must seek to describe and present things according to reality and not any kind of random cultural awareness. RhinoMind (talk) 19:18, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't think I contradicted myself or made opposing comments. There is a sovereign state called Denmark, which is made up of three constituent countries, called Greenland, Faroe Islands and (rather confusingly) Denmark, and yet Wikipedia lacks an article that clearly deals with this sovereign state as a single entity. You evidently think that ought to be located at Realm of Denmark, an article that does not currently present itself as having that purpose; I think that it should be at Denmark, and believe that WP:Commonname would confirm this (and by the standards of that policy, awareness of terms in the English speaking world is far from useless). Any article that refers uniquely to the European territory should have a title that makes this clear: perhaps a main article called Denmark (constituent country) and articles such as this being called Geography of European Denmark. Kevin McE (talk) 09:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Back again. I agree that The Danish Realm is not a perfect article, to say it lightly. But I need to state that the governing of and interrelations between Denmark (proper), the Faroes and Greenland has a real name. And that name is Rigsfællesskabet, translating as "The Unity of The Realm". When speaking of the geography of Denmark (proper), the Faroes and Greenland together, it is refered to as Det Danske Rige, translating as "The Danish Realm". These are not my ideas.

Here are some informative links (I hope you can read some Danish?):

• Rigsfællesskabet Statsministeriet.

About The Unity of The Realm and The Danish Realm. Translated English version here.

• Rigsfællesskabet Udenrigsministeriet.

About The Unity of The Realm.

• Rigsfællesskabets Historie A six part tv-series about The Unity of The Realm by DR.

It is currently being broadcast across The Danish Realm and I can highly recommend it. There is a summary in English here.

• The Danish Realm Claims Area Twice the Size of Denmark By the Danish Ministry of Higher Education and Science.

About the differencies between Denmark and The Danish Realm.

• Greenland, The Faroes & The German Minority Denmark.dk

About the meaning of Denmark and The Kingdom of Denmark.

RhinoMind (talk) 15:04, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Geography and its sub-disciplines of Denmark

There seems to be barely any information on certain sub-disciplines on this page. I'm going to look on adding a religion section and a population section. I see that this page needs to be updated and needs more in depth information on its subjects. This page will have a lot of work done over the next couple of months. Sanchez.Rigoberto (talk) 01:14, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Geography of Denmark Update

I'm interested in looking into the population section more and adding details about population growth and possible trends via population pyramids. I do think there should be more work done on the religion area as well. Capcans (talk) 01:36, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 27 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 20:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

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Geography of Denmark → Geography of European Denmark – There are 2 points of view on what area of the world Denmark is. From one point of view, Denmark is a European country that sits just north of Germany whose capital is Copenhagen. From another point of view, Denmark is the above, plus a large island in northeastern North America whose capital is Nuuk. Which area is this article about the geography of?? Georgia guy (talk) 13:56, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – It's usually clear from context whether you're talking about Denmark proper or Denmark including the kingdom's two autonomous territories, in my view this title is not that ambiguous and is probably clear enough now that it has a hatnote to the articles of the territories. I have never seen "European Denmark" used but it does apparently exist in a few older books (surely the Faroe Islands are also in Europe? ). – Thjarkur (talk) 18:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Jutland eliminates the Faroes by calling it "the continental portion of Denmark [in Northern Europe]". 85.238.91.68 (talk) 23:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. The current title is not ambiguous, in the absence of Geography of the Kingdom of Denmark: what could you put there instead? You can't sensibly put a redirect (if it's ambiguous as you claim) nor a disambiguation page (with what entries?), and a stub article would merely summarise the existing three. As a parallel, the Geography of the British Isles needs no further qualification even though it doesn't include the Falkland Islands which are (arguably) British. 85.238.91.68 (talk) 23:26, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. In all common usage, Denmark is the country in Europe. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

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Not much of a temperatures chart

A climatology chart that only lists all-time records is not a very informative one. I suggest we either:

1. Replace it with the climatology chart for Copenhagen (perhaps only the mean temperatures for each month); or

2. Replace it with a chart of temperatures averaged over the whole country (excluding Greenland) for each month. Thegoldenconciseencyclopediaofmammals (talk) 09:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)