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GA review

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Hi, below are my notes for the good article review. The article is impressive and very close to GA. I have looked at the other reviews the article has received and the article has really evolved and improved since then. I have bolded the most important points below - simply address them and it's a GA. The other points you can consider to further improve the article, but they do not relate to GA status. Just figured it was better to be thorough and mention everything I noticed!

Lead

  1. "Geelong (pronounced ... or JILL ong)"   Done
  2. "state of Victoria, Australia and is the largest regional centre in the state." - don't need to link "state" twice.   Done
  3. "75 kilometres south-west of the state's capital," - should also provide distance in miles, see Template:Convert.   Done
  4. Seems strange to mention Ford and The Cats so early in the lead. Perhaps move that to the end of the lead, and expand a bit on tourism with a couple more points. Then combine the urban area definition with the first paragraph.
  5. "Geelong is also the gateway to tourist attractions including the Great Ocean Road and the Shipwreck Coast." - aside from reading like a tourism brochure, Torquay, Victoria claims it is the gateway to the Great Ocean Road, and the Shipwreck Coast article doesn't mention Geelong?   Done
  6. "Wautharong aboriginal" - Check spelling, should be "Wathaurong"? "Aboriginal" should have a capital letter.   Done
  7. "but the next few decades saw the population stay relatively constant until the 19th century." - the 1850s is already in the 19th century; do you mean the 20th century?   Done
  8. "Population increases over the last decade have been due to growth in service industries" - do you mean the last decade mentioned, the 1960s, or from 1998 onward? You can also replace "have been" with "were". The reference provided however, doesn't say that population increases were caused by the growth in service industries, just that "Tourism, hospitality, education, health and business services are among the fastest-growing sectors".

Geography

  1. "In prehistoric times water covered much of the lowlands" - link "prehistoric" and "lowlands".   Done
  2. "such as bluestone from the You Yangs and sandstone from the Brisbane Ranges." - link "You Yangs" and "Brisbane Ranges".   Done
  3. "In the interwar and early postwar years" - should specify which war.   Done
  4. "moved to the hills of the south with the suburb of Highton growing," - could this be reworded?   Done
  5. "From this time a number of light industrial areas were also established in Breakwater, Moolap and South Geelong[16]" - Don't need "From this time" and there's no full-stop.   Done
  6. "left woolstores in inner Geelong unused, being redeveloped in the 1980s" - could be reworded?   Done
  7. "The highest temperature recorded was 45.8 °C on January 25 2003, with the lowest of -4.4 °C recorded on August 5 1997. The average annual rainfall is 536.4 millimetres." - should have conversions to Fahrenheit and inches.   Done

History

  1. The History section is very long. I would suggest moving some of the text to to Economy and Transportation. This isn't necessary for GA, but it's something to consider in the future.
  2. "Aboriginal tribes, notably the Wautharong people" - link Aboriginal and check spelling of "Wathaurong".   Done
  3. "who commanded the brig Lady Nelson" - ship names should be in italics, refer to WP:MOSTITLE.   Done
  4. "Port Phillip Heads (The narrow entrance to Port Phillip" - "The" should be in lowercase.   Done
  5. "He named Port Phillip Bay, Port King, after Philip Gidley King" - perhaps "He named the bay Port King, after..."?   Done
  6. "Governor King later renamed the bay Port Phillip Bay [with two ells]".   Done
  7. "Hot on Murray's heels was Matthew Flinders" - "Hot on Murray's heels" doesn't sound very encyclopedic. How about "Soon after" or something similar?   Done
  8. "Surveyor-General Charles Grimes arrived at Port Phillip in the sloop Cumberland" - link sloop.   Done
  9. "David Collins arrived in the bay to establish the Sullivan Bay penal colony" - link penal colony.   Done
  10. Why is the image of Foster Fyans in the "1800s: White settlement" section when he is not mentioned there?   Done
  11. "In March 1836, three squatters" - link squatters.   Done
  12. "gazetted as a town on 10 October 1838" - link 1838 as the whole date should be linked.   Done
  13. "a regular steamer service was running between Geelong and Melbourne" - link steamer.   Done
  14. "The Geelong Keys were discovered around 1845... They were embedded in the stone in such a way, the he believed that they had been there for 100-150 years" - don't link 1845 as it's not an entire date, comma placement is incorrect, typo in "the he believed", should be an en-dash between 100 and 150.   Done
  15. "five occasions from 1850 - 1858" - should be an en-dash between date range, no spaces.   Done
  16. "To counter this, a false map was issued by Melbourne interests to new arrivals, showing the quickest road to the goldfields as being via Melbourne." Someone has queried this in the Talk page, has this been addressed?
  17. "The Port of Geelong started to develop... the line was extended to Ballarat by 1862." - sentence is too long with too many "and"s.   Done
  18. "he bought the Advertiser" - "Advertiser" should be in italics.   Done
  19. The picture of the Market Square clock tower would make more sense in the "1850s: Gold rush" section where it's mentioned. Doesn't make sense to have a picture of the Edina's 1938 journey in the 1850s section.   Done
  20. "Geelong was overtaken by Ballarat and Bendigo" - how? Population? Economy?
  21. "the clipper ship Lightning caught fire at the Yarra Street pier, being cast adrift in Corio Bay" - link clipper, italicise "Lightning", "being cast adrift" doesn't make sense - who cast it adrift? Did the fire department cast it adrift to deal with the fire?   Done
  22. "with railway lines being extended towards Colac in 1876" - remove "being".   Done
  23. "Geelong to Queenscliff on January 8, 1878," - date should be 8 January 1878.   Done
  24. "erected new premises in a solid and ornate character." - solid and ornate character? How about mentioning the architectural style instead?
  25. "1900s: Now as a city" - "Now as a city" doesn't make sense - maybe "Now a city"?   Done
  26. "Geelong Harbour Trust was formed in December 1905, [43]" - remove space before reference.   Done
  27. "Electric trams began operation in 1912" - link trams.   Done
  28. "fertilizer plants" - should be "fertiliser" and should be linked.   Done
  29. Gee, a lot happened in the 1900s section! No mention of the 1952 flood though, and does the section really need to be accompanied by four pictures, even if they are spread into other sections? Perhaps move some to the gallery until that section has some more text and can accommodate the pics.
  30. "The car took over Geelong, with the first parking meters in Geelong introduced in 1961, petrol stations taking over every corner, and the first supermarket in the City" - "city" doesn't need a capital, and I'm not sure about cars "taking over" Geelong and petrol stations "taking over" every corner. Perhaps mention that cars are the main method of transport and petrol stations opened on every corner (which still seems like a slight stretch - every corner?).   Done
  31. "Industrial growth still continued," - remove "still".   Done
  32. "hectares of warehouse space in the city centre was left empty" - hectares were left empty.   Done
  33. "The Waterfront Geelong redevelopment started in 1994 to make the most" - "make the most" seems too casual.   Done
  34. "Avalon Airport was upgraded and provides for interstate travel" - how about "...upgraded to provide interstate travel"?   Done
  35. "Geelong expands towards the coast with Mount Duneed becoming a suburb as the City of Greater Geelong plans a new suburb known as Armstrong Creek." - watch the change in tense - isn't this still the past, because it's in the History section?   Done
  36. "Waurn Ponds, with construction started in 2006 it is due to be finished in 2009." - incorrect use of commas.   Done

Demographics

  1. "Each dwelling is on average occupied by 2.59 persons, slightly lower than the State and National average" - what are the state and national averages? "State" and "National" don't need capital letters, and "average" should be plural.
  2. "Notable ethnic groups in the city is the Croatian community" - should be "are".   Done
  3. "found the most common religious affiliations in Geelong was" - should be "were".   Done

Politics

  1. "from these councillors, the Mayor of Geelong is then elected by their" - how about "The Mayor of Geelong is elected from these councillors"?   Done
  2. "districts of Geelong, South Barwon, Lara, and Bellarine, with all seats are currently held by the" - "with all seats are currently held by" doesn't make sense.   Done
  3. Would be nice to see a graph or tables showing voting trends over time. That will probably come up in FA.

Economy

  1. This section needs expansion, perhaps with info from the History section. Not necessary for GA, however.

Facilities

  1. "Geelong is served by a number of schools, both public and private, catering to both local students, those from Geelong region and overseas students." - how about "Geelong is served by a number of public and private schools that cater to local and overseas students"? Link "public" and "private" because they mean different things outside Australia.   Done
  2. "In 1888 the Gordon Memorial Technical College was opened" - how about "The Gordon Memorial Technical College opened in 1888"?   Done
  3. "Today the university is located on a 365 hectare site, ad today has over 1,000 staff" - typo in "and".   Done
  4. "The first water supplies to Geelong was from the Stony Creek reservoirs" - should be "were".   Done
  5. "Geelong was first supplied with electricity in 1902, Geelong A power station was opened on the corner of Yarra and Brougham Streets in the city" - how about "Geelong was first supplied with electricity in 1902 when Geelong A power station opened on the corner of Yarra and Brougham Streets"?   Done
  6. "The 'Geelong B' power station at North Geelong opened in 1954, [45]" - remove space before reference. Also the first reference to Geelong A wasn't in quotation marks, so why are the other mentions?   Done

Culture

  1. "A local IPTV service known as [GOTV]- Geelong's Own TV Channel supplies the region with local News, Sport, Short Films and stories from Around Town." - this reads like a marketing brochure for GOTV. "Around town"? Also you don't need all the capital letters.   Done
  2. "Local radio stations are 3GL (Ethnic service), K-Rock (FM), Rhema FM (Christian Community station), The Pulse (Community Radio service), Vision Australia Radio 99.5FM (Print Radio), and Bay FM." - don't need all those capital letters for types of radio stations.   Done

Sports

  1. "based out of the Kardinia Park stadium" - isn't this called Skilled Stadium now, even though it's still Kardinia Park in the club song? (You may not have a GA reviewer from Geelong, but you did end up with a Cats fan. ;)
  2. "There are also 3 football leagues running in the area" - should be "three".   Done
  3. "The Eastern Beach foreshore and nearby Eastern Gardens is regularly host" should be "are".   Done
  4. "racing car events such as the Geelong Speed Trials. [106]" - remove space before reference.   Done
  5. "Geelong also boasts many golf courses, sporting and recreation ovals and playing fields, as well as facilities for water skiing, rowing, fishing, hiking, and greyhound and harness racing" - can a city "boast"? How about simply "Geelong also has"? You should also link the activities - some people may not know what harness racing is, for example.   Done

Tourism

  1. "The city is also the gateway to the Great Ocean Road and the Bellarine Peninsula." - refer to what I brought up in the lead section.   Done
  2. Seems strange to read again about the music festivals I just read about in the Culture section.

References

  1. Problems with links not working (e.g. citation 5). Check links here and fix those that no longer work, perhaps by pointing to an archive on web.archive.org instead.

I hope you find my thoroughness helpful! Well done to everyone who's worked on this article; it is very close to GA and it's well on its way to FA. I have placed this GA nomination on hold for one week to give you time to address the bold items above, which I'm sure you'll be able to do because most are quick fixes. The article is broad, stable, well referenced and mostly neutral (aside from the two sentences I've mentioned in the notes above about GOTV and being a "gateway"), so good job! :) Somno (talk) 01:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with most of the above assessments. A couple other things that should be improved:
Usually, articles begin with the 'history' section, then 'geography', then 'demographics', and then 'economy'. History is almost always first, giving the historical background and laying the foundation for the origins of the city.   Done
Change the title of 'politics' to 'government'. Politics is important to discuss, and it is invariably part of any town's government. But the focus should be on the function, composition, and operation of the government itself; politics is just part of that, so renaming the section would be in order.   Done
Move 'education' to its own main section, not as a subsection. The 'research laboratories' subsection under 'facilities' could be moved to the 'economy' section, since this is part of the industrial sector of the economy. 'Utilities' would be better covered in an 'infrastructure' section, where you might also put information on healthcare facilities and/or public works. 'Transportation' might also be included as a subsection here, too.   Done
The 'culture' section is very short, and seems like it could be expanded. I would also move it forward in the order of sections, definitely to before 'transportation' and 'facilities'/'infrastructure'. The 'tourism' section should be combined with the 'culture' section, as many of the tourist attractions contribute to the overall culture of the city.   Done
Again, I think this article is pretty close. Good work overall! Dr. Cash (talk) 15:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Geelong editors. The article's GA status has now been on hold for over a week and there are still a few points in bold to be addressed (particularly the issue of URLs not working in the references). Technically I should fail it but I'll give you a couple more days just because it took so long to be reviewed and you've addressed most of the things above (including ones that are quite complicated), which shows you're dedicated to getting it to GA status. You have until Thursday 3 April, so please get to it and finish the bold things. You can always renominate the article, but it'll be quicker if you can just fix those things now. :) Somno (talk) 01:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is extremely close to GA, but a couple of the most important issues were not addressed within the on hold period.

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:  
    You need to address the issues brought up with the lead. It could do with a re-write - make sure you focus on what's most important, briefly outline the main sections, and don't include anything in the lead that isn't mentioned within the body.
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:  
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:  
    One of your links still doesn't work in the references; suggest you get an alternative source or remove the statement until one can be found.
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):  
    C. It contains no original research:  
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:  
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:  
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):  
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:  
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:  
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:  
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:  
    Some of the images have been moved directly below the headings on the left (Growth slows, A city develops) - they shouldn't be directly under the heading. I still also suggest you look at including a gallery, or simply the link to Commons, until you have enough text to fit all the images in comfortably.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:  
    I'm sorry that I can't pass the article at this time. I hope you renominate it again soon. Somno (talk) 08:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


False Maps

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Is there any primary evidence to support the claim that 'false maps' were distributed by Melbourne businesses to get migrants to disembark there? For all the talk of them, I've never seen one, nor are there accounts from the time relating to them. It sounds like an old wives tale to me. For the record, Geelong is 90km by road from Ballarat, Melbourne is 110. This equates to less than ninety minutes extra by carriage. Unless some substance can be applied to this argument it should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.9.230.81 (talk) 02:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes there were 'false maps', however given the fact that they were false not many were preserved once it was made public. The State Library in Melbourne may have a few. I know that at least one was lent from a private party for some exhibtion thingy Eyclonus (talk) 14:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Ghetto city

Latest comment: 15 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

crime has become a major issue in geelong. road blocks, banning 18th birthday parties, early closing times for nightclubs are all being considered to curb violence and crime in the city. The city was even branded 'ghetto' (http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2007/08/24/6327_news.html). I think there should be a section on the recent prominence of violence and crime.

Kayno 22:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

From the article : "Victoria Police crime statistics show a 9.2 per cent decrease in crime in Geelong from 2005-06 to 2006-07.

But Mitchell said the response to his show reflected a community that did not feel safe." Mitchell is a shock jock, not a reliable source. I'd have said the Police are a better source. Greglocock 01:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Given that sometime has passed since this discussion and its fairly obvious that the crime "issue" was just the happenstance of several very disturbing crimes within a narrow time frame, if such a section on "Crime in Geelong" is ever added that we point out that this is just a perception sensationalised by the media and the usual groups that start this kind of moral panic? Eyclonus (talk) 14:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Latest comment: 15 years ago11 comments3 people in discussion

Can someone provide the pronunciation? I think it is /dʒəˈlɑːŋ/ but someone who knows for sure should confirm that. --Mmm (talk) 07:14, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Jill as in shill, ong as in long. Greg Locock (talk) 07:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, that's what I thought, but which syllable has the stress, jill or ong? --Mmm (talk) 03:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
JILL ong in normal conversation, almost J'long. However in a footy chant people will say jeeeee looo-oong. In which case the second syllable tends to get more emphasis. Greg Locock (talk) 07:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll add that to the page. --Mmm (talk) 08:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid the outcome of this discussion - an incorrect representation of the pronunciation (which I've now corrected) - is a good example why original research is avoided on Wikipedia, and how manifestly insufficient ad hoc representations of English pronunciation can be in conveying accurate information. Thylacoleo (talk) 04:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I'll be sure to correct all the locals. Greg Locock (talk) 04:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Greg. I'm sorry if my comment sounded harsh (it was actually mostly borne of the frustration of seeing the vowel of long being once again misrepresented as /ɑː/ rather than /ɒ/ - a problem most often due to American pronunciation, where the two sounds are not distinguished). As to the stress, which we apparently disagree on, while I'm not from Geelong, I am from Victoria and have heard the city's name pronounced enough times in regular and sporting contexts to confirm that the representation in the Oxford Dictionary (and the Macquarie Dictionary, which I also consulted) correctly shows stress on the second syllable. Indeed, I was a tad confused by your own statement above, where you say "JILL ong" in normal conversation (I presume the capital letters mean that the first syllable is stressed?), then "almost J'long". Your use of the apostrophe here suggests that the first vowel is reduced/elided (to a schwa), which phonotactically requires the stress to fall on the unreduced vowel of the second syllable. Actually, the representation "J'long" would be naturally interpreted as referring to precisely the pronunciation given in the Oxford and Macquarie dictionaries, and now in this article. Cheers, Thylacoleo (talk) 05:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually it's the vowel sound in the first syllable of your standard pronunciation that confused me. There's a lot of 'i' as 'it' in the way many people say it, and not really any 'a' at all. Anywya the important thing in a wiki way is that you have a reference. Greg Locock (talk) 06:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the schwa phoneme (IPA symbol /ə/) can be quite versatile phonetically in English. Normally it is taken to refer to a sound which is entirely central (with nothing more to do with 'a' than it has with any other vowel), but it can approach other vowel sounds in the right environment (and may even be lost entirely, resulting in syllabic consonants, like the m in rhythm). In this case the initial palatal /dʒ/ may cause it to sound more like the short [ɪ] vowel of "it" (this is an example of assimilation in the place of articulation). Then it may become a matter of debate whether the sound should be assigned to either phoneme /ə/ or phoneme /ɪ/. For Australian English, it is conventional to only include a single reduced vowel phoneme in the phonological inventory, /ə/, a convention which is followed by the major Australian dictionaries when indicating pronunciation. Thylacoleo (talk) 07:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Ta, now I know far more about pronunciation than I did. (Not that that is saying much, or mich, or mach)Greg Locock (talk) 12:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

/dʒəˈlɒŋ/ is right. Unless you are at the football, when the first syllable uses the full vowel sound. (I am from Geelong and I used to speak the local lingo). Cheers.Ross 13:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uqrbarna (talk • contribs)

Move discussion in progress

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redirect ?

Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

I have a question about the redirect existing from Geelong to Geelong, Victoria, who moved the page, why and from when ?

As far as I know there is no need for disambiguation as there is no other place in the world named Geelong, so it is naturally the most significant of the things named Geelong and all other things named Geelong are named after Geelong ... --Biatch (talk) 01:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It was some nuff-nuffs called the Australian taskforce, apparently towns are to be referred to as town,state. Logic is not a wiki strongpoint. Greglocock (talk) 02:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Clearly this is no longer the case. Reyk YO! 07:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Geelongites?

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Born and bred in Geelong I was taught in school that someone from Geelong was a 'Pivotonian' - something to do with Geelong being historically known as Pivot City. Have heard people still using the term Pivotonian but have never heard anyone in Geelong using the label Geelongite. Can anyone confirm this with a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.222.18.63 (talk) 07:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Hah good one. Yes, google shares your scepticism. It's not that there are no hits, but nothing like an RS. Greglocock (talk) 23:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

New External Link added

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I moderate the Culture Victoria website and have added an external link to a series of images and audio recollections by Geelong residents.Eleworth (talk) 05:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

As concerned this link may have appeared to be spamming I have removed it.Eleworth (talk) 07:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Exhibition building - Melbourne rivarlry POV

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I find there is still quite a bit in this article that points to a bit of Melbourne rivalry POV. One line in particular is contentious. "an Exhibition Building was opened in 1879, ahead of Melbourne." THis is uncited and not really true because Melbourne has had more than one exhibition building in its history. The first exhibition was erected in 1854, well before Geelong's. I think this statement is in reference to the Royal Exhibition Building was Melbourne's first, which is not the case, it was just the larger replacement built for a world exhibition, something that Geelong has not. --Biatch (talk) 02:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Dead links

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Numerous Dead links have been identified in this article, so it would be good to clean things up.--Soulparadox (talk) 11:22, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Skateboarding section

Latest comment: 11 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

A couple of questions, my answers in brackets Do we need it? (No, but it could be tolerated) How much detail is appropriate? (Very little, maybe mention the park on the waterfornt and that's it) Greglocock (talk) 02:55, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

This seems reasonable—is there any further input?--Soulparadox (talk) 04:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I think it's important to be covered as skateboarding has become a fairly major way for young people to experience cities and the condition and construction (or not) of facilities has become a matter of secondary source interest. That being said, the level of coverage should not be disproportionate per WP:WEIGHT. Orderinchaos 07:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
I spent a significant amount of time working in Geelong and not only did I realize the magnitude of the subculture during this time, but I was also made aware of people such as Jack Crook who hail from the area and the fact that one of the peak Australian websites/online retailers is run from the city. Then when the Waterfront location was built, it seemed to really embed skateboarding alongside surfing in terms of prominence in the area. However, I am happy to go with consensus.--Soulparadox (talk) 07:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Tourist Destinations - delete

Latest comment: 8 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

While I admit it is almost impossible to walk down Pako without tripping over hordes of camera wielding tourists (well, one in the past year) I am a bit baffled by some of the nominated destinations. I'm inclined to get rid of the whole lot without an RS. Greglocock (talk) 06:25, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I tend to agree. However, it might be worthwhile seeing how many we can link and then perhaps delete those we can not link. --Bduke (Discussion) 07:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Linked what I could. Maybe easier to read as a bulleted list.--Peterdownunder (talk) 04:05, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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The rain in Spain

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Somebody has recently updated the climate table using days rained with at least 0.2mm of rain. he/she/it claims this is the usual practice for wiki articles on Australian cities, rather than 1mm of rain, which is at least perceptible. So is this true? As it is we have Geelong having as many rainy days as Sydney, having lived in both places that is laughable. Greglocock (talk) 02:40, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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