Talk:Gary Gabelich
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Was Gabelich born in Croatia? It was Yugoslavia at the time, right? When did the Nazis take over?
I question the significance of mentioning Gabelich's Croatian origin over at The Blue Flame page.
- Hello IP 65.24... . Gary was born in San Pedro. His parents are from Hvar. And this isn´t a page about Blue Flame or Kingdom_of_Yugoslavia#Downfall_of_the_Kingdom -- Crato 11:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Pre GA comments edit
- Needs better article structure and some headings.
- Can we get some photos? Even vehicles or race events would be better than nothing. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:15, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- I am working on that. I have actually managed to contact Dick Keller himself and he was quite happy to help and provide documentation or info I can reference back to. I have also asked him if he could kindly donate copies of a photo or 2 of him and/or Gary with the Blue Flame and upload them to wiki commons so I can use them directly in the articles. I am currently awaiting his return reply. Also I am going to contact Gary's wife and ask if she might be kind enough to provide some photos she could donate to wiki commons for use in Gary's article. All the stuff on the net is copyrighted, I have been checking all the small print as I scour the net for refs. Also I'll improve the structure slowly and consolidate sparse paragraphs into larger ones as more facts with good refs can be added. Cheers. ☭ irongron ☭ (talk) 11:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Andy, with that Apollo Test astronaut citation, it actually states that on the plaque http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/gregwapling/hot-rods-down-under/land-speed-racing-history/gary-gabelich/gary-gabelich-plaque.jpg I'm a bit of an aerospace nut and Wally Schirra was commander of Apollo 7 and although Pete Farsnworth mentions Wally correctly as a Mercury Seven original, at the time Gary was at North American, the Apollo programme was operational and he would have been testing Apollo equipment in the years 68-69 as Project Mercury was long finished by then. The mercury 7 statement may seem contradictory with the Apollo statement but it actually all makes sense. Do you want me to find another supporting ref or will the plaque from the family suffice ? Or I could clarify it better with a sentence or two and use a hotlink to the Apollo 7 article even. Regards, Emir ☭ irongron ☭ (talk) 11:45, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- It's clarification, rather than citation. Just what did Gabelich do? Now AIUI, he was some sort of body double for Wally Schirra, during the building of the capsules. Now this is significant and worth describing, but we mustn't let it be mis-read that he flew! Andy Dingley (talk) 12:05, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- We're in luck Andy, there is an article that I have used to reference other data in that does mention some more detail, such as that he did the stuff you never hear about, like testing the toilets for the capsules among other things. I didn't want to reuse refs to many times over and over. So I'll find that web page and add some more facts regarding that. Also explain that Mercury was long completed and in those years Apollo was in full swing. can prove all that more or less by hot linking to the relevant wiki articles to clarify. Also, will explain clearly the diff between a test Astronaut and a real one, NASA will have something I can reference for sure. He was essentially a double as you put it. That's exactly what he was. They all had backup teams and then the test doubles back then. Got no idea how it works now as civilians can be astronauts now whereas back then it was a very elite club, mostly all test pilots from Navy or USAF. ☭ irongron ☭ (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- " I didn't want to reuse refs to many times over and over"
- Nothing wrong with that. Firstly we can have many cites from the same ref (usually different pages of a book), and we can also place the same named cite in the text repeatedly, keeping the footnotes tidy. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:14, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Cheers Andy. 2nd to=too btw! Good news. I have received a reply from Mr Keller...
- We're in luck Andy, there is an article that I have used to reference other data in that does mention some more detail, such as that he did the stuff you never hear about, like testing the toilets for the capsules among other things. I didn't want to reuse refs to many times over and over. So I'll find that web page and add some more facts regarding that. Also explain that Mercury was long completed and in those years Apollo was in full swing. can prove all that more or less by hot linking to the relevant wiki articles to clarify. Also, will explain clearly the diff between a test Astronaut and a real one, NASA will have something I can reference for sure. He was essentially a double as you put it. That's exactly what he was. They all had backup teams and then the test doubles back then. Got no idea how it works now as civilians can be astronauts now whereas back then it was a very elite club, mostly all test pilots from Navy or USAF. ☭ irongron ☭ (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- It's clarification, rather than citation. Just what did Gabelich do? Now AIUI, he was some sort of body double for Wally Schirra, during the building of the capsules. Now this is significant and worth describing, but we mustn't let it be mis-read that he flew! Andy Dingley (talk) 12:05, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Andy, with that Apollo Test astronaut citation, it actually states that on the plaque http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/gregwapling/hot-rods-down-under/land-speed-racing-history/gary-gabelich/gary-gabelich-plaque.jpg I'm a bit of an aerospace nut and Wally Schirra was commander of Apollo 7 and although Pete Farsnworth mentions Wally correctly as a Mercury Seven original, at the time Gary was at North American, the Apollo programme was operational and he would have been testing Apollo equipment in the years 68-69 as Project Mercury was long finished by then. The mercury 7 statement may seem contradictory with the Apollo statement but it actually all makes sense. Do you want me to find another supporting ref or will the plaque from the family suffice ? Or I could clarify it better with a sentence or two and use a hotlink to the Apollo 7 article even. Regards, Emir ☭ irongron ☭ (talk) 11:45, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- "Emir K, I can send you the photo you requested as well as another with Gary. How can I send you these with permission to publish?"
- How would be best way be that would not put him though a lot of procedure ? Should he upload them directly to wiki commons or would it be ok for him to email to me with a letter of permission that I furnish when I upload them to wiki commons. What's the most hassle free way and/or the procedurally correct way to do this ? ☭ irongron ☭ (talk) 23:04, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- Commons:COM:OTRS should point you in the right direction.
- Note that (because our goal is to be a "free encyclopedia", not just an encyclopedia, we're really looking for freely licensed content, not just content with permission for use at Wikipedia. Ideally we'd like to have content with something like a {{CC-by-sa}} licence on it. Note that this then allows me (or anyone) to then take that uploaded image and to publish a book using it, getting as rich as Croesus in the process. The owner of the copyright should at least be aware of this possibility! 8-)
- With a free licence, images should go to Commons. Without such a licence, just with permission for WP, then that content would have to go to Wikipedia instead. A number of admins would then probably delete it anyway. If (and I hope it's not needed) the owner doesn't want to give the image a free licence, then I would suggest a compromise is to freely license a reduced "web-sized" copy and to place that on Commons. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:14, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Much Improved Layout, Paragraph and sentence structure, additional references edit
Rewrote most of the article because much of it was directly copied from private websites which can be a copyright violation. Here is one of the sites http://thevelvetrocket.com/2009/06/27/gary-gabelich/ and compare to the article as it appeared here in the delivery van section. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_Gabelich&oldid=600712842
Restructured the paragraphs and sentences to follow a time line better. Added many more wiki links. There are also links to as of yet non-existent articles that should be created due to the notability. Speed shop is one such suggestion so go for it. You can say you created an article. Another article creation suggestion is Big Joe Reath a NHRA legend.
Referencing could use the attention of a reference guru. The link is there but they could use much improvement as my wiki abilities with referencing guidelines (if there is any standard) is in need of improvement.
Another contention that I ran into was some want to promote Gary's parents ethnicity above his LSR. He is famous as a world record breaker and not for his ethnicity which likely would of been of little concern in the SOCAL American drag scene of the 1960's. It is included under his personal life. Much information about his family was also added. 172.56.11.26 (talk) 11:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- True that Gary set the world LSR, BUT a biography is not about one achievement, but about an entire lifes achievements, so therefore it would not be very "encyclopedic" to not mention the entirety of Gary's life including his heritage, which, according to Bud Rasner of the racing scene, he was very proud of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.110.86.22 (talk) 09:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
- Preceding comment added by Sock of banned editor IRONGRON from Optusinternet New South Wales, Australia which is the same location as his other socks concerning the same articles and same argument. Irongron needs to follow the resolution process instead of trying to evade the block. He has stated he is done with wikipedia but obviously is not. See here for confirmation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IRoNGRoN&direction=prev&oldid=605225535 and here: http://www.iplocationtools.com/122.110.86.22.html 172.56.11.181 (talk) 01:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
- There are thousands of people on that subnet, please do not accuse me of something I know nothing of. It seems your paranoia about this irongron person has gotten to you. Maybe you should take a break, or see your therapist!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.110.83.19 (talk) 05:56, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
- Preceding comment added by Sock of banned editor IRONGRON from Optusinternet New South Wales, Australia which is the same location as his other socks concerning the same articles and same argument. Irongron needs to follow the resolution process instead of trying to evade the block. He has stated he is done with wikipedia but obviously is not. See here for confirmation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IRoNGRoN&direction=prev&oldid=605225535 and here: http://www.iplocationtools.com/122.110.86.22.html 172.56.11.181 (talk) 01:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
- True that Gary set the world LSR, BUT a biography is not about one achievement, but about an entire lifes achievements, so therefore it would not be very "encyclopedic" to not mention the entirety of Gary's life including his heritage, which, according to Bud Rasner of the racing scene, he was very proud of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.110.86.22 (talk) 09:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
- Preceding comment was uncivil and was added by Sock of banned editor IRONGRON (for uncivility) from Optusinternet New South Wales, Australia which is the same location as his other socks concerning the same articles and same argument. Irongron needs to follow the resolution process instead of trying to evade the block. He has stated he is done with wikipedia but obviously is not. See here for confirmation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IRoNGRoN&direction=prev&oldid=605225535 and here for the same IP locations: http://www.iplocationtools.com/122.110.83.19.html and http://www.iplocationtools.com/58.108.147.54.html and banned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:220.236.1.216 because of IRonGron's previous ban and uncivility here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMoriori&diff=604556483&oldid=604546880 and IP is same location and provider as demonstrated here: http://www.iplocationtools.com/220.236.1.216.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.10.100 (talk) 07:57, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- The so called false copyright violation regarding the "delivery van section" from the velvet rocket article mentioned at the top of this section actually occurred on 24 September 2008 here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_Gabelich&diff=240721689&oldid=239243271. It's a shame that wikipedias standards are lowerd by people who accuse others of false violations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.56.31.175 (talk) 01:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Parents edit
- Rae (born on Oct. 26, 1916 to Camerina and Salvador (+ 1918) Padilla in Bisbee, Arizona, married in San Pedro, moved to Bixby Knolls in 1948, 2nd marriage after 1981 with Paul Fullen, died 2011) https://archive.is/GnZsu https://archive.is/l20bv
- Michael "Mehl" Joseph Gabelich (1909 in NYC – 1984 in California) https://archive.is/D8qan --Virtualiter (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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