Talk:Garifuna/Archive 1

Archive 1

Source for Population

Does anyone have a source for the estimated 200,000? I found this source [1] saying the the Garifuna population was about 500,000. LaNicoya 21:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left here. Ling.Nut 22:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

headline

I am a garifuna person presently residing in the US.The person who wrote this article and posted it on the net need to do far more research before putting my race on the net the way he wants it to be.I am almost sure that he don't even know his cultural history but is hurried to put what he think is fact about my people on the web.

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Well, I don't really have any definitive answers for anyone, and I am hoping that someone might be able to give me some information. I would really just like to bring up the idea that we shouldn't believe everything that we hear and everything that we're taught in school because even history is biased. There is an ancient African Prince (ca.1300's) named Prince Abubakari II who wrote a book about expeditions he funded to a place that is 28 sailing days off of the coast of Africa, (the same exact route that Cristopher Columbus sailed years later in 1492). Many people dispute this idea, but there is documented proof that it is true. It's funny how that isn't something that we learn in school, though. Anyway if this account is true, then African people from the ancient city of Mali, modern day Senegal, were actually the first to arrive in the America's in the 1300's. Lopez de Gomara and Peter d'Anghiera both write in their accounts of their initial visits to the Americas that they encountered people that they recognized as Africans. Also, there is the questionable quote in the account of Vazco Nunez de Balboa, the "first" explorer to cross the Isthmus of Panama to reach the Pacific Ocean, that he encountered Africans in the area.

This brings me to my next point. The area that all of these accounts come from is near an area we now know as Belize. If you know anything about Belize, it is a country bordered by Mexico and Guatemala, and home to a small population of people known as the Garifuna. The Garifuna is unique in that no one really knows how they came to be in Belize. Modern education tells us that a slave ship wrecked in the area and all the slaves escaped, hid and thrived. However, I was told by a credible source that her Mother tells her that they come from a city on the coast of Africa, Mali, (which, ironically is the place from where Prince Abubakari's tale, or legend as modern history liked to call it, begins and tells a similar story), that they're kingdom sent them on a conquest to see if they could find a shorter route to a worthy trading port, and they landed on inhabited islands, and stayed there.

I don't know how accurate I am, and I really don't care. I just want to put a little bit of a bird in your ear that everything isn't what it seems. If you want to find out more, there is a book. "They Came Before Columbus", by Ivan van Sertima. This should help some. I'm reading it right now. It's just fueling my fire... sooner or later they're gonna give me a doctorates degree, too and then it's own.. i'm letting everybody know the Truth! Good luck.

The story behind the Garifuna people as told on this page is wrong (see garifuna.org). I'm not an expert on the subject, but there has been a lot of talk in the media as a consequence of a CD release by the Garifuna Collective (directed by Andy Palacio; called Watiná). There seems to be a concensus across the board (and from the Garifuna people themselves) that the story on this page is the real history: RPS report. Other independent sources in the media have confirmed this story (eg. Songlines, a UK world music magazine) and at the least I think the story on the RPS page should be adapted or linked from this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilinator (talk • contribs) 01:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Amerindian and Carib

What does "descended from Amerindian and Carib people" mean? The Caribs are Amerindian. The distinction implied (if there exists a distinction) needs to be explained.

--Mcorazao (talk) 16:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Absolutlely correct; it was a badly worded opening sentence. I attempted to clarify what I think the author was actually trying to say. Rsheptak (talk) 17:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Adjective form

What is the proper adjectival form for a person or object related to the Garinagu?

e.g. a Garifuna village/song/tradition or a Garinagu village/song/tradition? GBC (talk) 05:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Oral history

I have made a substantial change to the historical portions of this article, reflecting the importance of our single most important source, that of William Young. I have removed some language suggesting that the Garifuna are not African-descended, or that they were not present in the island in 1635 when Breton visited, since the tradition recorded by Young had the shipwreck and arrival in 1675, and specified that the survivors were Mokko (Ibibio) from today's Nigeria.Beepsie (talk) 01:54, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Language and other issues

I just saw some of the edits at Garifuna people and Garifuna language which seem to have come out of the Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/AfroCrowd/AfroLatinoCROWD event - this is great! Much of what is here, including what has been added, is supported by studies in the relevant fields, including history and linguistics. I'm a historian of the Eastern Caribbean in the period when the Garifuna emerged and will try to help contribute to this in the next few weeks. For now, I linked Kalhíphona for Caliponian language. I'll help add stronger sources but would like to be in touch with others working on this so I don't accidentally push away those who are working on this in New York right now (among others). Some things we could work to improve, in addition to sources, would be to use the most precise language possible when discussing "Africa" and "African" influences (the level of specificity for the indigenous languages is really great! We can use existing studies to make similar efforts on the African side. I'll help and am happy to help others participate in this by sharing my access to these resources. Feel free to be in touch, including if you have any concerns about my edits. Isaaccurtis (talk) 02:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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