Talk:Galwan River

INDIA INVADE CHINA

ROC map of border with Ladakh, 1947

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cw2pWd3Sqc

Please familiarise yourself with "China", marked here in 1947. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Adding category against consensus

User:The Discoverer, please explain your action of repeatedly adding the article to Category:Areas occupied by China after the Sino-Indian War, which contradicts the article text, which states that:

1. China has been in control of the upper reaches of the river since 1959, before the 1962 war.
2. India retains control of the undisputed lower reaches of the river.

Your addition of the article to the category has already been reverted by two people including myself, and your similar addition of Khurnak Fort to the category has been reverted by the administrator Jreferee at the closing of the ANI complaint against you. The onus is on you to justify your action. Please refrain from adding it back again without obtaining consensus. -Zanhe (talk) 21:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Zanhe. The text of the article conforms with the definition at the category page: "China did not have absolute control over in the years before the Sino-Indian War". I will temporarily refrain from adding the category. However there is no consensus about removing the category from this article, simply because only the two of us have discussed this till now, and we have a disagreement. There is no onus on me, instead, the onus is on you to obtain consensus for the removal of the category from any page.The Discoverer (talk) 15:12, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

ghulam rasool galwan was a kashmiri muslim whose family had emigrated to ladakh

Etymology section has recently been added to the page and it says "The river is named after Ghulam Rasool Galwan, a Ladakhi explorer from Leh, who first explored the course of the river". according to Leh#Religion, 54.9% population is buddhist while only 13.1% are muslims. I suggest there be clear distinction that the person in question was not a native lehite, rather his family had emigrated from kashmir. Further, that he was a muslim by religion. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.173801/mode/2up Mhveinvp (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I added that he was of Kashmiri descent. Thanks for raising that.

His religion is irrelevant to the topic. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Origin of Galwan River

Is there any source for the origin of the Galwan river at 34.74484°N 78.73579°E / 34.74484; 78.73579? I can see one of the headwater streams coming from much further at 34.588°N 78.912°E / 34.588; 78.912, which is at least 18 km from Samzungling, as the crow flies. The point currently depicted as the origin of the Galwan is a little more than 8 km from Samzungling. -- Ashinpt (talk) 01:32, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

A belated reply. Many streams join together at Samzungling, which should be regarded as the true location of the source. The depth of the valleys in this area shown on a terrain map clearly indicates that the main channel at Samzungling runs north-south. The channel that comes from the east does not go as far as you indicate. It might have gotten cut off at some point in the geological history. At this point in time, the water in that area is likely to simply evaporate, and occasionally overflow in both the directions. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The source you indicate forms a tributary stream that is marked as "Tugou" in Chinese maps. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Discovery?

1875 Survey of India map of Lower Changchenmo region

1940 Kashmir Jammu and Gilgit Agency map

The idea that Ghulam Rasool Galwan discovered the river in 1899 is wrong. The river was already marked in 1875 survey maps. But it wasn't labelled by any name. I rather think that Galwan's name got attached to the river after his death, in order to honour him. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The 1940 map on the right is the earliest one I can find that has "Galwan" marked. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

According to a "Ladakhi historian" called Abdul Ghani Sheikh, Galwan is supposed to have discovered the Galwan valley in 1892-93 while travelling with the Earl of Dunmore.[1]. However, Dunmore was going to Pamirs, via the Nubra valley [2]. He was nowhere near the Galwan River. There is no mention of Galwan, either the boy or the river, in Dunmore's book. Galwan certainly went on this trip. But he was just a 14-year old porter in a huge caravan. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)