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why is the flag on here the greek cypriot flag?
Gönyeli is on the north side of cyprus and therefore the flag and the whole page should be under the turkish name and flag.. seriously get your facts right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.171.216.4 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
News flash! Gönyeli is part of the Republic of Cyprus. Legally the republic of cyprus is the true government of gönyeli. thats why the flag is the republic of cyprus flag! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmatso (talk • contribs) 23:28, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Greek Cypriots sold their properties to the Government of Northern Cyprus via Immovable Property Commission that is recognized by the European Court of Human Rights edit
Northern Cyprus' Immovable Property Commission: http://www.northcyprusipc.org Click to Documents - Statistics
Click to List of Finalized Applications: http://www.kuzeykibristmk.org/dokuman/Bitenler.pdf
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File No.Application Number LocalityArea (m2)Add ons Remarks
1 8/2006 Lefkoşa 8,453 Date 20/6/2006 ; Decision No:1
51 6/2007 Lefkoşa 279 Date 12/4/2008 ; Decision No:46
53 37/2007 Lefkoşa 378 House ShopDate 16/4/2008 ; Decision No:48
74 151/2007 Lefkoşa 707 Date 9/2/2009 ; Decision No:69
95 79/2006 Lefkoşa 549 Date 28/7/2009 ; Decision No:89
96 67/2007 Lefkoşa 9,403 Ownership not proven
96 67/2007 Lefkoşa 12,998 Factory Date 30/7/2009 ; Decision No:90
121 43/2009 Lefkoşa 2,829 Factory Date 15/10/2009 ; Decision No:115
122 87/2007 Lefkoşa 2,743 Date 16/10/2009 ; Decision No:116
124 160/2007 Lefkoşa 651 House Date 20/10/2009 ; Decision No:118
132 110/2007 Lefkoşa 274 House Date 2/12/2009 ; Decision No:127
136 11/2009 Lefkoşa 79,204 Date 11/12/2009 ; Decision No:131
149 60/2008 Lefkoşa 1,128 House Date 9/3/2010 ; Decision No:145
151 48/2007 Lefkoşa 1,226 Date 6/4/2010 ; Decision No:147
171 60/2009 Lefkoşa 279 Date 21/6/2010 ; Decision No: 167
192 42/2009 Lefkoşa 605 House Date 10/11/2010 ; Decision No:189
196 29/2010 Lefkoşa 7,693 Date 15/12/2010 ; Decision No:195
202 24/2010 Lefkoşa 521 Date 4/1/2011 ; Decision No:201
215 27/2010 Lefkoşa 22,743 Date 7/2/2011 ; Decision No:213
Total Area 152,663 m2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dox1donny (talk • contribs) 07:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
This is blatant propaganda. The account that posted it was banned for sockpuppeting, but some propaganda remains in the article. For example, it is mentioned that de facto the city belongs to the country of Northern Cyprus, although the political body that governs the area is recognized as a country only by Turkey. 134.147.176.66 (talk) 15:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Requested move (June) edit
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The result of the move request was: moved to Gönyeli. Favonian (talk) 12:38, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Kioneli → Geunyeli – Inıtial request to move to "Gonyeli", see below for "Geunyeli": Gonyeli is far more common in reliable sources in English than Kioneli (374 as opposed to 8). I think this article must be moved to "Gonyeli" as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). --Seksen (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose firstly it would be Gönyeli if anything, secondly Category:Populated places in Northern Cyprus are all at Greek names. I don't know why but I imagine Wikipedia:WikiProject Cyprus would. UN has this as http://unjobs.org/duty_stations/cyprus/lefkosia/kioneli In ictu oculi (talk) 00:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
- No, I think "Gonyeli" is the name established in English sources, see WP:DIACRITICS. Gönyeli does have 214 hits, but most of them are addresses or in Turkish or German (although the search is particularly for English-language texts). This does not mean anything. It uses "Lefkosia" instead of "Nicosia", it does not contain any information and it is not the UN (it is a Swiss website for job vacancies in the UN). They are all Greek names because: 1) they are the names used by the Republic of Cyprus and it was simply easier when creating loads of articles, the creators of those pages did not research them in depth. 2) most Turkish names were given in 1958, before that different pronunciations of old names, which are not necessarily Greek, were used in Turkish. However, this was a Turkish village and its name was "Gönyeli" (used in English-language resources as "Gonyeli") all along. This is just the transcription of the Greek way of writing the corrupted Greek pronunciation. It is used by the Republic of Cyprus because it uses the transcriptions of Greek names as a standard, but Wikipedia is not concerned about that, we need to use the common English name which is "Gonyeli" in this case. --Seksen (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, no. Geunyeli is far more common and it seems to be used by the Republic of Cyprus, the US and Canada as well. This book is published by the Oxford University and uses Geunyeli. --Seksen (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
- I think this move is going to be uncontroversial. Even this Greek Cypriot source, which reflects the usage by Republic of Cyprus. Search for Geunyeli and Kioneli here. Not only that Geunyeli is the common usage, it is also the official usage. It is used by the Republic of Cyprus, by all sources. Kioneli is the transliteration of Greek name. I think there is no need for a discussion here. --Seksen (talk) 10:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
- Still opposed. You've misunderstood the above criteria I think, since Turkish place names are all at Turkish spellings on en.wp, but that's not the main issue. Search [Gönyeli + Cyprus 403 results Geunyeli + Cyprus 557 but when you take out references to the 1954 "incident"/"massacre" both searches drop, there isn't much in it. The correct Turkish spelling Gönyeli is preferred in tourist guides. But that's by the by, the main issue is Category:Populated places in Northern Cyprus. There's also some history on en.wp eg defunct Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Greek and Turkish named places). I've asked admin Fut Perf who seems informed on sensitive geo-pol naming issues and participated in that if he'd have a quick look here. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:48, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
- I think this move is going to be uncontroversial. Even this Greek Cypriot source, which reflects the usage by Republic of Cyprus. Search for Geunyeli and Kioneli here. Not only that Geunyeli is the common usage, it is also the official usage. It is used by the Republic of Cyprus, by all sources. Kioneli is the transliteration of Greek name. I think there is no need for a discussion here. --Seksen (talk) 10:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, no. Geunyeli is far more common and it seems to be used by the Republic of Cyprus, the US and Canada as well. This book is published by the Oxford University and uses Geunyeli. --Seksen (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
- No, I think "Gonyeli" is the name established in English sources, see WP:DIACRITICS. Gönyeli does have 214 hits, but most of them are addresses or in Turkish or German (although the search is particularly for English-language texts). This does not mean anything. It uses "Lefkosia" instead of "Nicosia", it does not contain any information and it is not the UN (it is a Swiss website for job vacancies in the UN). They are all Greek names because: 1) they are the names used by the Republic of Cyprus and it was simply easier when creating loads of articles, the creators of those pages did not research them in depth. 2) most Turkish names were given in 1958, before that different pronunciations of old names, which are not necessarily Greek, were used in Turkish. However, this was a Turkish village and its name was "Gönyeli" (used in English-language resources as "Gonyeli") all along. This is just the transcription of the Greek way of writing the corrupted Greek pronunciation. It is used by the Republic of Cyprus because it uses the transcriptions of Greek names as a standard, but Wikipedia is not concerned about that, we need to use the common English name which is "Gonyeli" in this case. --Seksen (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
- Note: In ictu oculi asked me to comment here. I have little experience with Cyprus-related naming issues, so I can't really contribute from any special vantage point. Personally, I would oppose "Geunyeli" because it is an outdated French-based ([ø] > 〈eu〉) transcription pattern that must be quite opaque to modern English readers, bears very little resemblance to the actual name in either of the local languages, and is difficult to pronounce (seriously, "Geunyeli" makes me think of some place in Korea rather than Cyprus). Apparently, "Geunyeli" is commonly found in historical works, mostly older ones, dealing with the civil war events of the 1950s. I can only guess that this may be because French still had a stronger hold as the language of diplomacy back then. This will hardly be used in reference to the place as such, today. Outside the historical references, I'd agree with In ictu oculi as far as the lack of a clearly predominant conventional name in English is concerned. This leaves us with choosing one among the original local names. "Gonyeli" is out, in my view, because in the absence of a clear status as a conventional and preferred English form (comparable with the status of "Nicosia" or "Munich"), if we are going to use the Turkish form, we ought to spell it correctly, so the choice is between "Gönyeli" and "Kioneli". Since "Kioneli" seems to be even rarer in English, and in light of the current political control, inhabitants, as well as the fact that the Turkish name is clearly the original one in this case linguistically, my vote would be for Gönyeli. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:56, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
- All right then, I would support "Gönyeli" as well. I must note that the same situation exists in Ortakioi (corrupted version of Ortaköy), Beikioi (corrupted version of Beyköy) and Kanli (see this). --Seksen (talk) 17:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
- Provisional support for Gönyeli following FutPerf's input. presumably derived from gönye? and consistent with the football club. Seems that WikiProject Cyprus is inactive. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 19:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
– 1) Gönyeli is the turkish name of the town. 2) Goenyeli is the official English language of the town 3) Most English keyboards do not contain the letter "ö" Mmatso (talk) 23:25, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose. Gönyeli is the actual name; why move it to an inaccurate transcription? We do have ö in the English language, but those readers who lack an ö on their keyboard are currently served by a redirect. I would also point out that the proposed name fails WP:COMMONNAME - a google books search for "Goenyeli" returned no books. Zero. Is there even a single source which supports the notion that "Goenyeli is the official English language of the town"? (Searching the municipal website for "Goenyeli" also returns zero results) bobrayner (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose. we just had an RM, and Gönyeli is the correct spelling. Where there are no English exonyms we spell 100% of Turkish names correctly on en.wp by longstanding consensus of article contributors and editors. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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