Talk:Fungwa language

Requested move 16 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Reverting a past page move per nomination. (closed by non-admin page mover) —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:17, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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Ura/Ɓura language → Fungwa language – user:Salihu Aliyu's rationale for moving from Fungwa language to Ura/Ɓura language (20 November 2021) is that "I changed it to Ura language because it seems like it's mistake, since there is an article about Fungwa language which called (Pongu language) in English Wikipedia, and there is difference between Fongu and Ɓurawa.

However, according to Glottolog, there is a difference between Fungwa and Pongu; and I do not see any entry there for Ura (except as an unrelated dialect in Asia) or Ɓura (except Bura, an unrelated Bantu dialect).

The links and citations in this article still refer to Fungwa.

Therefore I believe this article should be returned to Fungwa language. – Fayenatic London 14:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

In 2013 Kwamikagami redirected Ura language (Nigeria) to Fungwa language, so he may be able to help with this. – Fayenatic London 19:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Regardless, the current slashed name is inappropriate, so I think a quick revert is in order.

A convenient outline is Blench here.

Pongu is what Blench calls Rin, ISO [png].

Fungwa, or Ura, is ISO [ula].

Blench says,

Fungwa [=Ura]

The Fungwa live in five villages (Gulbe, Gabi Tukurbe, Urenciki, Renga and Utana) along the Pandogari-Allawa road, Rafi LGA, Niger State. The name they have previously been given in the literature is ‘Ura’; this may derive form the name of a nearby hill. It is unlikely that they number more than 1,000 people. Despite this, their correct name is not entirely agreed. The usual form is;

mu-fungwa one person

a-fungwa the people

cì-fúngwà the language

This suggests an hypothesis about the names ‘Pongu’ and ‘Fungwa’; these are Hausa mispronunciations for the Fungwa and Rin, but transposed.

and,

Rin (Rĩ) (=Pongu)

Dettweiler and Dettweiler (1992) discuss alternative pronunciations recorded for the ethnonym of the Rin. Aya, Ayi, Ariya and Ariyu have all been recorded and the report suggested the possibility of using Arya for the people and Tarya for the language. However, the most widely accepted version of the vernacular ethnonym appears to be as follows;

Usual Name	One person	People	Language
Pongu	Bwə-rĩ	A-rĩ	Tə-rĩ

Hence the proposal to use Rin for both people and language. All such terms may be regarded as interim, as the Rin people should formally adopt a reference name.

Printed materials referring to the Rin now refer to the ‘Pangu’ which is said locally said to be the ‘correct’ spelling. This is based on a supposed oral tradition that the origin of the Rin is Mangu, a Mwaghavul town SE of Jos in Plateau State. This is not very credible historically; Mwaghavul is a Chadic language and TəRin is a well-established Kainji language. As noted in the section of the Fungwa, ‘Pongu’ is based on a early colonial confusion.

— kwami (talk) 19:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article cleanup following page move

@Fayenatic london, @Kwamikagami: I've completed the move request per nomination. But I'm not sure if the redirect thus created at Ura/Ɓura language should be kept or deleted, so please take care of that. Also, I lack any subject matter expertise but noticed that you already did some cleanup, so can you do the rest if needed? Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, CX.

I've redirected anything from article space, and suspect that the links in talk space deal with this move, so no reason for the rd, I think. — kwami (talk) 20:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again. The redirect is not needed, but WP:Redirects are cheap, and I believe it is normal practice to retain them after page moves.

I've made some other edits, and cropped the drive-by photographs. – Fayenatic London 11:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)