Talk:Front de libération du Québec/Archive 1

Archive 1

BBC link

There is a link to this article at the BBC page http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/10/newsid_2531000/2531261.stm

202.0.40.83 23:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Sourcing

Does anyone have a source on the claimed Statue of Liberty bomb plot?L0b0t 14:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

More on French names for Business

The french renaming in Quebec have nothing to do with terrorism!

1 ) It makes marketing sense for most business to adapt to the language spoken by the majority of their customers. A vast majority of an about 8 million population in Quebec isn't fluent in english! 2 ) There is a province-wide law on bilingual advertisement which strongly promotes the use of french.

I will not contribute to this article since I am a native of this province and can't claim NPOV. But the inference that the french naming for business and the political support for sovereignty are aftermath of terrorism are both unfounded. — Anonymous

As a native to Montreal myself, I may have trouble keeping a NPOV, but I can go so far as to say this:
The French naming of businesses is neither directly nor indirectly linked to the actions of the FLQ. Rather, the political party "Parti Québecois" shares the FLQ vision of a francophone, independent Québec and in 1977 they enacted a Charter of the French Language to force the prevalence of French in business and government. — NRen2k5 06:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not see how this article tries to imply that political support for sovereignty is an aftermath of terrorism. How can it be an aftermath if it was present before and during the events?

That being said, people should refer to Quebec Bill 101 for more information on French business names. Because of this bill, "McDonald's" is referred to and trademarked as "McDonald", "Eaton's" (or was until their demise) as "Eaton", and so on. There is substantially more presure on English Canadian business names to change their names than on American ones ("EB Games" and "Toys R Us" are the same, for example). Insurrance company "Canada Life" had to change to "Canada Vie".

Flag

The FLQ flag and description are available here: [1] - TheMightyQuill 20:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Walter Leja died in a bombing? Really?

No, not really. This article is filled with errors and should be erased until someone serious rewrites it. One example is when it is said that Walter Leja died in a bombing in 1963. He died in 1992. Walter Leja tried to deactivate a bomb the FLQ put in a mailbox and it exploded. He lost both hands, but did not die.

This article is a shame to Wikipedia.

So change it!!! Stop complaining!!

Then by all means ammend it, if you have more information, please share it. Looking up the hommage page [2] on Leja, he did survive the explosion which maimed him, and spent the rest of his life in a hospital. I guess the bomb did kill him, only slowly... Arasaka 12:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

I have assessed this as B Class, although it will need a lot more work to become a GA, and of mid importance, as I do feel that it plays a strong role in understanding Canada. Cheers, CP 04:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Removal

I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.

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Terrorist

Isn't this word a WP:WTA? Kerem Özcan (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Marx's analysis

The intro of the article says: "it is noteworthy that Pierre Vallières joined the FLQ in 1965, three years after he read Marx’s analysis of Quebec’s history in which the position of the working class of Québec is compared to that of the Negros in the United States; ideas he later incorporated into his book White Niggers of America."

If that is true, then it should be relatively simple to quote Marx's analysis to support the assertion. Where can we read this in the works (or correspondence?) of Marx? It might already be online at marxists.org -- Mathieugp (talk) 22:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== The FLQ targeted the Statue of Liberty? == (answer from a quebecer and historian)

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The reason why some people don't understand this FLQ plan about bombing the Statue of Liberty takes root with the misunderstanding of the politcal aims of the FLQ. This group was more than independantist, it was also against capitalism and promoted socialism/communism. So, the ennemy wasn't just the canadians (anglophones) who had almost complete control over our economy and social existence, but also against capitalism and, by extension, the american imperialism, which is closely tied to capitalism and world wide economy. Bombing the statue was exactly the kind of actions corresponding whit the Felquists' aims, considering the statue represents the american dream, which is, for many non american, a big lie and a ideological propaganda.

Important factor to add too. The independantist cause of Quebec isn't about "dividing" the Canadian unity. Geopoliticaly, Canada doesn't exist at all. It is a mistake to believe that this confrontation is only a Francophone/Anglophone issue. The fact is that Quebec, like Ontario, Atlantic provinces, Central Canada and the Pacific territories, is a Statehood, a nation. Canada was formed with the expansion of the railroad accross north america to prevent the US from gaining all of north america. In everydays life, the social ways of living, of thinking, and of making actions is different, depending of where you are in the country. So, the Quebec fight for independance isn't about to brake something. It's about existing as a Free state instead of a controlled state. There is no Canadian way of livingm, as this illusion is made mainly of an Ontarian way of thinking, which isn't reprensenting the rest of the country.

I hope this helps people understand better

Philippe Brisson

It's a sad day when people like you can be called "historians". Canada IS a geopolitical entity. Simply because it is an uneven amalgam of various cultures and economies does not void its status as a country. That's why your text is not in the wiki page, I guess. It's just an opinion.

We removed disinformation - "Occasional" declartions? - all groups are "unknown" until they act. Inserted information on the bombing of the Stock Exchange JillandJack 16:52, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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This 'explanation' does not answer the original question. I've never heard of french-canadian involvement in a plot to attack the statue of liberty. Please provide source or I will request the removal of this section. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.185.52.37 (talk) 03:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Word Documents

Does anyone know where the random word documents that were used as sources actually came from?Jaker penguin (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppetry

Wiki admins, I suspect PatrioteQc is a sock puppet for Philbox17, both here on English wikipedia and on French wikipedia, where Philbox17 is indefinitely blocked following personal attacks, threats, and militant editing. Vincent (talk) 09:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Terrorists?

they are constantly referd to as terorists, the article is borderline non-neutral and the reader gets a biased empression and asociates them with the label terrorist, and the truly evil terrorists like bin-laden and such Ostrich11 (talk) 02:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

What would you label them as? They bombed mail boxes and the stock exchange, kidnapped a foreign diplomat, and kidnapped and killed a provincial politician.IMO, these acts are typical of a terrorist organization. MTLskyline (talk) 02:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I am afraid it is more complicated than that. It is hard to deny that some of the individuals claiming to act as the FLQ committed acts of terror. But RCMP agents exploded bombs, let many such acts be attributed to the FLQ by the media, and yet I doubt labelling the RCMP as a terrorist organization would be accepted. When working on the timeline of the FLQ over on the French Wikipedia, I came across the closest thing to a definition of the FLQ I have seen so far:

« Le FLQ sera l'aile radicale du mouvement pour l'indépendance du Québec. Ce ne sera pas tant un mouvement de lutte armée qu'une expérience d'agitation armée, de propagande armée. Ce ne sera pas un mouvement unifié mais un rassemblement de groupes distincts, voire un simple sigle revendiqué par les partisans de la violence politique. » Louis Fournier (1998). FLQ. Histoire d'un mouvement clandestin, p. 12

which translates more or less to:

"The FLQ was to become the radical wing of the movement for the independence of Quebec. It was not to become so much of a movement of armed struggle as an experiment in armed agitation and armed propaganda. The movement never became a unified movement but rather a gathering of distinct groups, even a simple initialism claimed by the partisans of political violence."

In the minds of those who considered themselves the leaders of the FLQ, the movement was to become an organization comparable to the FLN, PLO, Sinn Féin, etc., so essentially a radical political party with a paramilitary branch. But the FLQ was never allowed to become that important. Something along those lines would be a better fit for a definition in my opinion. -- Mathieugp (talk) 07:36, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd be fine with something like that. Apparently "terrorist" isn't an acceptable term to use on Wiki anyway. Cheers. MTLskyline (talk) 16:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Terrorism is a tactic. The degree and for what purpose (freedom or caliphate) it is used a seperate subject.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.141.8 (talk) 21:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Hamer & RCMP undercover infiltration

This page makes reference to Nigel Barry Hamer. In fact he was only known as Nigel Hamer. I wrote a page under his name. He's also not British. He was born and raised in the West Island of Montreal, but I didn't edit this page to adjust that. Please add to the Hamer page if you have more info on him.

Also, several have asked about the suggestion that the RCMP had not only heavily infiltrated the FLQ, but had actually initiated violent attacks in their terrorist guise. This case is made in the Book Last Stop Paris, which is a well-written book by a Vancouver author named Michael McLoughlin. Many people close to the action violently attacked McLoughlin for his book, which even accuses - by name - certain people of an unsolved murder of one of the leaders of the movement.

--Megaforcemedia 20:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, that is exactly what I was looking for here: talk of False Flag terrorism. Given what we know about Operation Gladio, this is exactly what we should expect to see here. I would not be surprised if FLQ activity was directly tied to Operation Gladio either, given that time frame involved. 142.46.214.106 (talk) 05:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Mouvement National de Libération du Québec (MNLQ)

What is the relationship between the FLQ and MNLQ? If there is a relationship between the two, it might be worth extending the entry to cover this, even as a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.56.188 (talk) 23:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Cut and pasting a discussion in Talk:Quebec which should interests readers of FLQ:Talk

Pierre Trudeau, the RCMP, and the FLQ?

I have never heard about this before I read this page. I believe I have a fairly wide ranging knowledge of the era and the incident and I would just like a source to the inquiry that says that Trudeau pushed the RCMP to inflitrate the FLQ to push them to violent actions. Much of the evidence of the time points to the idea that the RCMP had very little in the way of background on the FLQ and it was part of what led to the massive confusion on the part of the federal government at the time.

I could not find it in English (of course), but here it is in French:

http://www.vigile.net/00-10/octobre-grandchamp.html (last article at the bottom)

You can use Google or Babelfish to get a rought translation. I will translate it myself this weekend.

The name of the inquiry is the McDonald Commission. They also mention a Keable Commission in 1977.

In English, I only found this one good article:

http://www.vigile.net/01-1/flq-citizen.html

-- Mathieugp 12:12, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I found a radiocast on the subject of the MacDonald commission in the online archives of Radio-Canada:

http://archives.radio-canada.ca/IDCC-0-9-1500-10144/guerres_conflits/espionnage_canada/

-- Mathieugp 15:11, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm quite aware of the debate surrounding the level of crisis. What I am not aware of is information about Trudeau using the RCMP to infiltrate the FLQ and push it to violent activities. I did not read anything about this in the links provided. I really think if this can't be substantiated that it should be removed. Benw

OK. I guess you cannot read French. In the night of July 26, 1974, Robert Samson, then working for the secret services of the RCMP, accidentally triggered the bomb he was going to set up behind the house of Steinberg's president in Ville Mont-Royal. (If you never lived in Quebec, Steinberg was a chain of grocery stores). Then he was arrested and lated tried. It of course made the news. His revelatations during the trial is the beginning point of all we know. He was being payed by the RCMP to do criminal acts which would later pass as crimes committed by the FLQ. Premier of Quebec René Lévesque set up the Keable Commission, mandated to inquired on the illegal activities of the RCMP on the territory of Quebec. Trudeau immediately setup a competing McDonald Commission. A lot of evidence was brough to light at that time. The Keable commission started to inquire, but was blocked on many levels. Many of the documents they demanded from the federal government were kept secret. The federal government of Trudeau tried to shut down the Keable commission and succeeded. The government asked the Supreme Court if a provincial government had the power to inquire on the operations of the federal government. The supreme court ruled in favor of the federal government. After that, the lawyers of the government reduced the inquiring powers of its own McDonald Commission.

In 1992, a lot of the documents that were given to the Keable and MacDonald commission in the 70s were finally made public. These documents contradicted the version of the story that Trudeau had given to his MacDonald commission. The cabinet reports for October 14 and 15 has many ministers expressing their opinion that the government has not demonstrated that there exists a threat of insurrection. Three ministers demanded evidence that the War Measures Act was necessary.

Reg Whitaker, professor of political science at York University, member of the Canadian Association for Security and Intelligence Studies published a memoir on the subject in August of 1993, but the English language media largely ignored it as Pierre Trudeau published his biography around the same time. The memoir stated that the security comitee of the cabinet authorised the RCMP to compile information on the members of the RIN as soon as the middle of the 1960s. Under the Trudeau goverment, the RCMP was instructed to treat the separatist movement as a whole (which in their definition included the FLQ and the PQ) the same way the communist Party was being treated.

Regarding the PQ, the Secret Services of the RCMP stole their list of members in January of 1973 at the explicit request Trudeau's cabinet. The cabinet emitted a directive for the RCMP on this subject during its meeting on December 19, 1969.

-- Mathieugp 2 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)

This is all true and i wish more of those truths would make it to the first page. -SB

This is all speculation and does not belong in an encyclopedic entry, unless labeled as what it is, a conspiracy theory. Much like Area 51 or CIA/KGB involvement in the assassination of Kennedy. - MP

There are plenty of independent sources confirming those criminal acts by RCMP agents. It made major newspapers front pages. Do your research. Here is one: "Regardless, it remains undisputed today that there were RCMP attempts until 1975 to artificially extend the October Crisis in order to discredit the Quebec sovereignty movement. RCMP Carole Devault had infiltrated the FLQ during the October Crisis, and after the crisis created fake FLQ cells. Manipulation included planting fake manifestos written by the head of the RCMP and bombs planted by a suspect who was injured by his own bomb, later caught at the hospital and revealed to be an RCMP agent. Those events led to the MacDonald and Keable inquiries, which however, remained incomplete, as the RCMP refused to make public key classified documents.ref." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.22.153.81 (talk) 01:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

This is true, because it has been later revelated on the news that the RCMP did rob dynamite sticks on constuction sites, saying was done by flq. They also did a lot more, like creating false documents. Many quebeckers will remember the confusion they created and it was later revelated by some quebec members of the rcmp.

Right, some called it the Canadian Watergate. The police officer was arrested after the bomb exploded in his hands, I believe. I just don't have the books any more (I'll try and get them, to cite it). Logical2u_{Review me!} 22:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The Bay and not La Baie?

Wasn't 'The Bay' originally called 'La Compagnie de la Baie d'Hudson', back in the 17th century?? From all I can remember it has always been called 'La Baie' in Quebec... Does the french name really have anything to do with terrorism???? Where is that story from??

/ Hello. I was born on Thursday, 9 July 1953. In that era, the store you call "La Baie" was called Morgan's Department Store. Thursday was always "bargain day", and my grandmother would rush downtown on the 105 bus that used to go all the way across the island of Montreal, to catch the bargains. Morgan's was on the corner of Union and Saint Catherine Streets, where "La Baie" now is. Whenever my grandmother referred to my birthday, she would accompany this with a reference to the fact I was born on "bargain day". I grew up with a healthy respect for bargains. The store was later named "The Bay', and later again, "La Baie". Couldn't tell you the dates.  : ) KM/Montreal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.65.28 (talk) 17:19, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

According to Hudson's Bay Company, it was always an English company (despite the involvement of two Frenchmen in its founding). -- Curps 02:48, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

I can vouch for the accuracy of this statement, being an employee of HBC myself. — NRen2k5 06:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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Indeed, the Hudson Baie Company (HBC), translated in 'La Baie' in french is of British Origin. You are maybe confusing with it's French conterpart, la Compagnie des Cent Associés. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.185.52.37 (talk) 03:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Subjective ?

and stole approximately 534 thousand (Canadian, adjusting for inflation) dollars in goods and moneys.

Hahahah!! adjusting for inflation! The guy who writed that forgot to calculate the low salary of white niggers of the time! Seriously, this article should be absolutely declared lacking NPOV. I don't know how to do that through. 207.253.111.41 03:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC) k-let

Well, the Gustave Morf wrote 100 thousand dollars in goods in his 1970 book, and he was a Canadian author (His book was actually appended with the October Crisis), and using TD's inflation calculator it yields 534 thousand. Why is it not of a neutral point of view, simply because it's Canadian dollars on a primarily Canadian article? This sort of falls under the category of regional spelling variations. That, and I'm confused. Logical2u_{Review me!} 22:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The article should state the original amount ($100K in this case) and the adjusted $ amount *with the year* for which it is calculated -- "adjusted for inflation" without the reference year has no value.BroMonque 17:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Done modified the sentence to present both original amount and current value of that amount. --Offiikart (Talk) 14:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

FLQ and Palestinian Training Camps?

OK, I don't want to start a discussion on the matter, I am just interested to know if anybody remember this, or better yet have access to this document?

In the 1970's there was a magazine published and distributed as an insert in the newspaper "La Presse" called "Perspectives". A team of writers for Perspectives had visited Palestinian training camps and written two articles on their visit. In the second article, they detailed their surprise encounter with a few young men from Quebec who were living in the camp and training for guerilla warfare.

Although I don't remember that any link had been made between these men and the FLQ, I am wondering if anybody could find and cite that article, and, if the authors are still alive, would they have more to add today? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.166.15.229 (talk) 12:47, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Unclear meaning

At the end of History -> The fourth wave, it says "The various members of the group were arrested by May 2, 1969". The word 'various' may cause confusion when used with the word 'the' as it makes it unclear as to whether the members are of various beliefs, races, etc. or various people within the group. Can someone that knows the subject please change it to either 'Various members of the group...' or 'The members of the group...' to clarify this.

Spike35031 (talk) 05:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Discrepancy in when the FLQ first emerged.

According to the March 9th, 1963 Montreal Gazette "Three small bottles...were discovered yesterday (this would be March 8, 1963). This is the first account of the presence of the FLQ. This contradicts the varied reports of them first striking on March 7th. Thoughts? Here's the link: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19630309&printsec=frontpage&hl=en Trapper (talk) 02:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Figured it out. Molotov cocktails planted in the evening of March 7. Discovered and reported by Army March 8. Printed in latest newspaper the day after - March 9th.

Trapper (talk) 02:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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Front de libération du Québec → Quebec Liberation Front – Per naturalness ("Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English"). Also, vast majority of organization articles in English WP are logically entitled in english language, as happens with WP in other languages.--HCPUNXKID 16:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose - this appears to be normally given French name in hardback English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose the current name or the abbreviation FLQ are the form found in English-language sources -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 10:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose As per previous opposes, but also WP:ENGVAR and {{Canadian English}}; French names and phrases are regularly adopted wholesale, without translation, into English, this one very notably; I can't think of seeing "Quebec Liberation Front" anywhere in media in years, if ever, and then only in parentheses after the adopted-English French name; like Parti Quebecois, Bloc Quebecois, Union Nationale and Creditiste, no different; likewise Surete du Quebec (Quebec Provincial Police...hm that may redirect to the English/QPP but I doubt it, it's very current in English as "the SQ").Skookum1 (talk) 11:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose, as per WP:CANFRENCH. "Front de libération du Québec", or FLQ, is what the organization is normally called in English. I have never once (in school, in the media, in conversation, etc.) ever heard it referred to as the "Quebec Liberation Front". --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:01, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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200 violent crimes?

"200 violent crimes" waouh ! More than Bin Laden ! Who has sources ? Ericd

I lived through it and was in a violent bank robert when they started firing a machine gun across the wall....DW ---- And don't remove my photos.

Brrrrrrr........ really disgusting. But one violent crime where are the 199 others ?

Sorry if I'm rude or sarcastic, but there's a lot of violence in this World. I believe I've seen enougth myself. Shocked peoples are bad candidates for NPOV, and terrorists are in search of hate to justify their crimes.

Wikipipedia is a collaborative project, NPOV is Wikipipedia's policy, I think it's a good thing, I hope this is good for the whole Mankind. There's a lot of free space providers where you can find space for any opinion you wish to express.

I don't mean to hurt you, I'm sorry if I'm to direct but English is not my native language.

Ericd

Language has nothing to do with remnoving pictures without reason....DW

I have at least one good reason : putting mug shots whitout even giving the name of any person doesn't seems normal practice in an encyclopedia.

Of course you can ignore it as I'm an "idiot" sufferring for some "severe lack of brains".

Ericd

I still find this article lacks NPOV. Ericd 12:13, 7 April 2003 (UTC)

Excuse me it's my firt time participating, hope it's the right way. I was doing an homework about RCMP and I had read Wikipedia article entitled "rcmp surrounding scandals", so I needed to read the "flq" article to understand well... but both articles are contradictory! Having viewed a CBC documentary that endorsed "rcmp surrounding scandals" article's mentioned facts, I wonder why the "flq" article has not been changed yet. I really should have chosen another subject

Felquiste

Listening to a radio interview I recently learned the term Felquiste, meaning an FLQ member. This term should be added to the article, but I'm unsure of the spelling: is it Felquiste or Effelquiste or Èfelquiste or something else? Indefatigable 15:11, 12 October 2004 (UTC)

It is felquiste. It means a FLQ member or a FLQ sympathiser. -- Mathieugp 19:26, 12 October 2004 (UTC)

The FLQ targeted the Statue of Liberty?

I'm puzzled as to what purpose was for wanting to bomb the Statue of Liberty. The FLQ's aims had mostly nothing to do with the United States, unless the group's doctrine was to intimidate all English speakers on the continent. It seems unlikely that the FLQ would have wanted to do anything other than compromise Canadian unity, but then again the group was not a real unity and any anti-American Quebecer could have joined the group and decided to form a cell to attack America under another cover.

I was mostly wondering about the article's author's source regarding this information. I can't seem to find it anywhere else on the net. The only other mentions Yahoo brings up are ones linking to this very article. I could browse through some Montreal newspapers I have in my attic, but it seems like it ulimately won't be worth the effort.

I would like to know the source of this assertion too. I had never heard of it before reading it in Wikipedia. However, I would not be surprised if the FLQ indeed planned on trying to grab the attention of the US media; this would only make sense. For the Marxists of the FLQ, the USA were certainly seen as the ultimate imperialist monster, the next big thing overshadowing France's and Great Britain's small empires. The FLQ leaders wrote a number of texts in which it was pretty clear that for them, whether it came from the US, Great Britain, France or even Canada, capitalist imperialism was the enemy of liberty, equality and democracy. I assume that if really they intended to blow up the Statue of Liberty, it was to give them the occasion to spread their propaganda all over the continent. -- Mathieugp 13:35, 20 January 2005 (UTC)

Pictures?

Evidentally some pictures were removed - tho I can't see where they were originally, in order to judge whether they really needed to be removed. (Perhaps one photo showing a significant cell would be pertinent). However, references to these photos remain. Either they should go up, or the references need to be removed. 67.10.131.229 19:31, 13 July 2005 (UTC)