Talk:Freiberger

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• http://www.originalfreiberger.ch/rasse_d.html (in German)
• http://www.swissinfo.ch/directdemocracy/swiss-horse-breed-faces-uncertain-future/15338018
• http://www.northsouth.ethz.ch/news/past_events/past_events_zil/welternaehrungstag2004/Wohlfender_Franches_Montagnes.pdf
• http://www.fm-ch.ch/fr (in French) (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.fm-ch.ch/fr&prev=search )

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Montanabw (talk • contribs)

The first one will be nearly unusable, it's a club's web site. The last one is the breeders Federation web site, and has some decent primary sources (like the breeding program or the studbook rules).

http://www.agroscope.admin.ch/haras/07254/07255/index.html?lang=fr has the latest official statistics and population data for all horses in Switzerland, the last census report was compiled in 2013.

Pierre-André Poncet, Le Cheval des Franches-Montagnes à travers l'histoire, Société jurassienne d'émulation, 2009, 485 p. (ISBN 294004340X et 9782940043408), is written by the former director of the national Stud in Avenches; I am told his work is well regarded. MLauba ^(Talk) 15:05, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

• Club sites have varying reliability, for things like the internal history of the breed (not the wild claims, but the recent stuff) or uses of the breed, they can be of some help, though the breed registry will be a superior source. It sort of depends on what else is out there. Looking at the first source with Google translate, I see what we have here is a controversy - what is, in fact, the "original" breed. May not be useful, but might be, sort of depends on what additional research brings up. The other sites look promising. Montanabw^(talk) 14:06, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• Google translate is a tad treacherous there. The club is the community of interest around what they call the "original Freiberger". This is a category in the FM Studbook that represents issue from the cross breeding started in the 1950s when the book was opened to add half-bloods. To get into that category, a stud or mare needs to have less than 2% foreign blood. There's a separate category called the "ancient" breed, and this only open to descendants of the race that had no foreign blood at all since 1950. Unless I'm mistaken, all of the latter are of one of the four "heavy" lines. MLauba ^(Talk) 14:57, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

  Meant to add - there isn't anything controversial about that category. When they closed the studbook in 1998, all previously approved issues since the opening of the book were grandfathered into the new classification as "pure FM" regardless of the amount of foreign blood their lines had picked up in the 48 years during which the book was opened (of course provided they were approved for the registry prior to the closing only). The "original FM" was a distinction created by the breeders' general assembly in 1997 when they voted for the close to distinguish between the early cross-breeding through 1970, and the later ones. And Poncet is out of print. Grr... MLauba ^(Talk) 15:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

• • (Though I most certainly will give a nod to the translation problem, the issue of the "pure" form is a bugaboo in horse breeding pretty much throughout Europe and America (spoofed at my subpage User:Montanabw/List of horse breeds promoters claim "truly primitive bred pure since Adam and Eve") my guess is that there is a "political" spat in house between those who support the "foundation type" and those who support the "new and improved" type. It sounds a lot like the issues surrounding the Andalusian horse where some factions are totally aghast that there might have been Arabian or Barb blood included in their "pure" animals while others just shrug and go "meh." (The purists are aghast, DNA studies proving Barb ancestry notwithstanding, and pedigree records verify Arabian blood was added in the 19th century, and most likely before that too...) Heh. Montanabw^(talk) 04:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

    Heh. You are most likely right that there was one. I expect having both the "original" and "ancient" categories in the studbook represent the compromise they reached during the 1997 general assembly. MLauba ^(Talk) 09:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• • • Well, I'll let others finish the cleanup, the language stuff is a barrier for me. Interesting stuff, though. Montanabw^(talk) 06:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this, but the intro makes it sound like the Freiberger isn't used as a draft and pack horse by the Swiss army anymore, which isn't the case. It not "widely used" anymore, obviously, but there are a couple of hundred that are registered and used by the army every year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.194.99 (talk) 09:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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