Talk:Fred F. French Building/GA1

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 15:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements -
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Links

Prose

Lede

• is a 38-story skyscraper - could we say "skyscraper", and give the actual size a bit later in the lede? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Done
• Who are Sloan and Robinson? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Added John Sloan and T. Markoe Robertson were a relatively obscure firm whose other projects included the Chanin Building and Pershing Square Building. Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
• contains an Art Deco design - you said that earlier, probably better to forgo the first one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Done

General

• "L"-shaped - is the quotes necessary? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Removed
• Frederick Fillmore French in lede, but F. French in body. Consistency. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Fixed
• "only Mesopotamian skyscraper" in New York City - Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Added
• Does Facade need splitting into two sections? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Fixed Usually, it would depend on whether each segment of the facade (base vs. tower) has enough details such that it would be more worthwhile to keep them in separate subsections. However, the subsections are both pretty short so I've combined them. Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
• Could we move the image in features to the right? It currently goes over a section head. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Done
• "Ground level" as a caption is a bit weak. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Fixed
• Could we get some ALT text? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Done
• The building was purchased by MetLife - I really appeciate these terms (when you discuss a company) to give a basic intro of who they are. Even "The building was purchased by holdings company MetLife" would be perfect. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Done It's a financial company that's pretty well known here (its name is even on the nearby MetLife Building), but I forget it may not be well known outside of the NYC area. Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
• Landmark designations - is this an "impact"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Fixed Good point, I have changed this header to "Critical reception and landmark designations". Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
• The first note is sort of a reference and note hybrid, could probably be fixed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
• THe second note actually includes the first note, it's a bit confusing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Fixed I was trying to combine a couple of notes in the same template. I've split these out now. Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
  • @Lee Vilenski: Thank you for the detailed commentary as always. I've addressed all these issues now. Epicgenius (talk) 13:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.