Talk:Frank Mir

What is his birthday?

Two different birthdays are quoted, 24 june 1979 and 25 May 1979, and one of the pages linked (sherdog profile) lists his birday as 1980...

On the Nevada State Athletic Commison's website, it lists his birthday as May 24, 1979. I changed it to this. (MgTurtle 15:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)).

Height & Weight

During his Heavywieght Title match he was list as 6'3 253 lb. Wiki lists him as 6'1 240. I suggest his wieght be corrected. If the source for his size was tooken from UFC.com it's invalid because their stats HT & WT are often incorrect —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.155.40.77 (talk) 22:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

If he's 6'3" then how come at UFC 100, when he touches gloves with Lesnar before their fight, he is clearly shorter? 6'1" seems more likely. 70.50.55.197 (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The WWE listed Brock Lesnar as 6'5, Frank Mir Has always been listed at 6'3.(Aurriean (talk) 19:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC))

Early training

"Born into a martial arts family, a young Mir learned the basics of combat from his parent's Kenpo Karate school in Las Vegas, after being bullied at school for being overweight. He was sparring in tournaments at 5 years old and would go on to accumulate a collection of trophies."

This needs editing. How on earth did he get bullied at "school" for being overweight and then spar in tournaments, all by age five? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.39.100 (talk) 01:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Lesnar Fight

I don't really know what the protocol for these talk pages is, but I just noticed the article claimed he received several strikes to the back of the head when he clearly only received one. Just thought I'd throw that out there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.90.30 (talk) 23:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

BJJ Training???

The article mentions his karate and wrestling backgrounds, as well as a stubbornness to learn jiu jitsu, then jumps ahead into his MMA career, without even mentioning how he learned and eventually got his black belt in jiu jitsu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.138.250 (talk) 08:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• In episode 6 of The Ultimate Fighter 8; he said he tapped out Tim Sylvia, got in his dressing room and his master tossed him his belt. He said that's exactly how it happened.--72.129.31.189 (talk) 12:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Under fighting styles it said BJJ and wrestling this is not true he is a BJJ and Muay Thai practitioner. He has never been know as a wrestler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.30.95 (talk) 05:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

sportsmanship

why doesn't the article talk about what a poor sport frank mir is? his own words on the show "the ultimate fighter" are verifiable proof as to what a jackass this guy is. if any of you wiki "referees" don't think the sportsmanship of an athlete is worth mentioning, then you don't know shit about sports.

If we were to put that in the article based on what we thought of him from watching a TV show that would be original research. Before we could even think of adding that to his biography we's need a reliable source, some sort of news report, that discussed his sportsmanship or lack thereof.--Cube lurker (talk) 16:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

understandable, but it pisses me off that if dan rather says it, then it's ok but if the whole country witnesses it, that's not a good enough source. in front of cameras he calls the other team on TUF a bunch of losers that will never amount to anything, simply because they were happy that their coach had won them each $1000.00. he's supposed to be acting as a mentor to these young fighters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wellcraft11 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember him saying anything bad about the other team, I thought he was harder on Junie than anyone else, and Junie was on his own team. But Junie deserved it because he was a complete ass. I do remember him being a sore loser in regards to the soccer matchup being rigged because Nog was from Brazil and him talking trash about Nog by claiming to be a better athlete: stronger, faster, etc. I don't think he knew that Nog was terrible at soccer by his own admission and had never really played it much before; I think Nog said he was too embarrassed to ever talk about it. Mir got clowned a little bit and basically said that maybe he lost there but he'd win in the ring.

I don't think that was bad sportsmanship. I don't think, however, that he should be talking about breaking Lesnar's arm or limb the way he did after the Nog fight. That's something that should never be anyone's goal. I hope that was just a really bad attempt at trying to drum up some fake controversy and not an honest desire.--2008Olympian^chitchat 16:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

If we start going down this road, it will never end. One could argue that Frank was a jerk, a bad sport, and then point out what a GOOD sport he was after Lesnar/Mir 2 when he praised the champion (despite the champion being perhaps the worst winner I've seen.) In general, it is good practice in an encyclopedia to stick to the facts. Now, if he (or Lesnar, for that matter) were fined or otherwise punished for bad sportsmanship, then that should be included for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.60.230 (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Part of TUF's purpose is to promote the fight between the coaches, seeing as that's the way the UFC make their money. It's obvious that Mir was trying to play the part of the villain here; during TUF, he said he was way better than Nog whereas after the fight he said he didn't think he could have won. Mir's no Tito Ortiz (it takes years of practice and a genuine ass hole streak to be Tito), but he got people talking about him and that's his job.216.161.43.194 (talk) 16:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Editing, how much of Franks 'unsportsmanlike' conduct during the show a result of editing? Other coaches have been fairly vocal about how badly they were misrepresented on the show through editing. I for one see no reason to believe what we saw on the show was a complete or accurate picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.145.224.34 (talk) 00:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Personal Life

I rewrote the family section. If Mir adopted Marcus, then he and Jennifer have three children with one on the way to make it four. Adoption is legally the same as if one is the blood parent. There is a note that Marcus has a different biological father so all info is there and now accurate.--2008Olympian^chitchat 16:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone tell me wut his tattoo on his stomach says cuz i cant seem to find a picture of him close enough so i can see it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.215.20 (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Alot of information including that the adoption took place and he has four children now including his stepson Marcus is all attributed in this article: [1]. This should help add to his personal life, if someone wants to take the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AcePuppy (talk • contribs) 03:51, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

"...Frank Mir's father immigrated from Cuba, and took it really hard." What exactly does "took it really hard" mean? And what's the follow up to that? Doesn't make much sense.98.238.217.186 (talk) 03:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Went to Bonanza HS?

Can anybody provide a citation to a yearbook featuring him. Mine seems to not have him.Coffee4binky (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Lesnar VS Mir 2 fight

I have noticed that some people are trying to vandalise Frank Mirs page after the recent loss to Brock Lesnar. I hope this article can become semi-protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.110.140 (talk) 04:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Bruce Buffer declared Brock Lesnar winner by KO at UFC 100. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.110.140 (talk) 04:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

FACT check.

Bruce Buffer who makes the "OFFICIAL" fight announcments after the fight.

Declared it a KO at 1:48 of Round 2. That's KO not tko.

I've watched the original PPV,and seen this match more than once on UFC Unleashed.It has never changed, Bruce Buffer announces a KO at 1:48 Rnd. 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.155.119.48 (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Height

Wiki currentlyhas the guy listed at 6'3", but he's more often listed at 6'1". I think we need to be more vigilant about inflated stats and measurements. Someone needs to set his height back to what it really is, and we need to start doing this with more athletes instead of letting them get away with exaggerating their measurements. --Criticalthinker (talk) 00:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Frank gives himself only 6'1" on his own damned website! Come one. --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, "That was Easy"--0pen$0urce (talk) 14:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

FACT check.

Bruce Buffer who makes the "OFFICIAL" fight announcments after the fight.

Declared it a KO at 1:48 of Round 2. That's KO not tko.

I've watched the original PPV,and seen this match more than once on UFC Unleashed.It has never changed, Bruce Buffer announces a KO at 1:48 Rnd. 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.155.119.48 (talk) 22:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Team Mir website and Sherdog are now giving the height of 6'1" (186cm), despite giving 6'3" (191cm) just a few days early and for a long time in Sherdog's case. For the moment, I think 6'3" is going to have to be used, but a more reliable and definitive source is needed, such as an athletic commission. Jfgslo (talk) 18:57, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Figthing Style

In the UFC undisputed 2009 game is frank mir listed as a muay thai and BJJ fighter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.110.140 (talk) 12:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Interim Heavyweight Championship Title Shot

The last paragraph in this section is pretty much garbage. The page it about Frank Mir, not Nog. Dana White revealed that Nog had a staph infection, then Nog 'verifies' it? So much for reliable sources.Then after a string of excuses, the writer tries to legitimize it with "Despite these legitimate handicaps". This just has little place on a Wiki, and if it does have any place, its place is on NOG's page, not Frank's.

Editing Policies, summaries, and Undoing

Please review wiki polices on editing. In other words don't just drive by, change something, not summarize, and not discuss.--0pen$0urce (talk) 14:08, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone vandalised the page adding in "now Brock has came back from an alternative reality bringing with him great vengeance and furious anger for Mir" and that Mir and Frank will fight to the death at UFC 115. Obviously, this vandalism on the article. I corrected it, but I suggest this page be locked for a while. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.181.10 (talk) 20:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request

{{editsemiprotected}}

excessive vandalism

A couple of vandal edits on a single day is not enough to warrant page protection. Once it has increased to 8-10 vandal edits, request for page protection at WP:RFPP. BejinhanTalk 06:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, what the admin said here. BejinhanTalk 06:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Frank Mir's Ethnicity?

I think it is worth mentioning somewhere in the lead section if it can be appropriately cited, as someone appears to have tagged this article under American people of Russian, Cuban & Moroccan descent, despite not bothering to reference these claims or introduce them anywhere within the relevant sections.

There's also next to no reliable sources on his ethnicity via the Internet. Gamer112(Aus) (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

         http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2010/04/11/13541436.html Here is a good source where Frank Mir himself says that he has russian etnicity.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.110.140 (talk) 09:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC) 

Edit request from ThomasSim, 21 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} RV the recent change of removing claims to karate with reliable source http://martialarts.about.com/od/mmaandufc/p/frankmir.htm

ThomasSim (talk) 02:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Done   — Jeff G.  ツ 04:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix Championship

I'm fairly certain the Grand Prix championship isn't on the line in Mir's fight with Cormier, it's just the Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship, which Cormier was awarded due to his Grand Prix victory. He's listed here: http://www.strikeforce.com/fighter as their Heavyweight Champion and Frank mentioned on the MMA hour I think that it was set to be a fight for the Heavyweight Title. I'm gonna edit the article to reflect this, I'll link it to the Strikeforce Champions page. If anybody has a problem with this, please mention it here so it can be discussed. I'm fairly certain this is the case, and even if it weren't the Grand Prix championship can't be defended as it's a one time thing so that would be inaccurate in of itself. THEDeadlySins (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Submission Mir Lock.

Can we please call Frank Mir's submission over Pete Williams by its given name. It is indeed a shoulder lock, the same way a kimura or an americana is a shoulder lock, but it has been called the Mir Lock for a very long time. That's the name it has been given. When Jones caught this move standing on Glover Teixeira, everyone Rightly called it by this, including Joe Rogan during the live broadcast. When Sherdog doesn't have or know what to call a submission they just put something generic, which is why many older fight results are simply "choke." They will never go back and change their mistakes but now that we have a name to call it by there's no reason we shouldn't use it. 24.102.148.42 (talk) 15:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

The sources you supplied before did not appear to be reliable sources (fan-generated content). Even the source you supplied here, which does appear to be a reliable source, states: "The ‘standing Mir lock’ as many on the internet messageboards of the world have rightly dubbed it" is not a clear statement by a reliable source that this is the official name of the method. Unfortunately commentators are always going to be adopting new terminology to describe what's going on in the ring but whether we should ever adopt that terminology in these tables is a completely different matter. What we do want to do is have something resembling an official record of the fight. Just because one or even several commentators use a specific bit of terminology doesn't mean that it's in any way part of the "official" record of the fight (for some vague definition of what is "official").

Also, do other people use this technique? And if they do is it called a "Mir Lock"? I think the answer to that should play into our deliberations.

Finally, if this is something you really wish to pursue I'm thinking it might be more appropriate to bring it up at WT:MMA and get input from the rest of the community. SQGibbon (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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